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Science and Security: Is this what you mean by oxymoron?

July 12, 2007 by manoamano

Ask any scientist, any person with the gift of imagination, and he will assure you that, whatever countermeasures you think of, no matter how many millions you spend, how many pre-emptive wars you wage, you will never achieve more than 20% security.

Let's not go into details, this is a science blog and not a political forum. But if you really do this research, you will inevitably get these results.

Man's imagination, for good and unfortunately for bad actions, is unsurpassed. Chess champions will always beat chess software. There are simply too many parameters, there are millions of unknown factors that are created as we read this article. And every one of these factors must be anticipated and countermeasures created for them, it is simply impossible.

Pseudo-scientists will try to convince us that there are "bottlenecks", that no matter how many factors intervene, all must lead to one of the "bottlenecks", and countermeasures will catch them there. Nonsense: I just thought of a dozen, and I thought of hundreds of ways to circumvent them. All people with minimum computer or mathematical skills can. (I'm just trying to make a point here! don't put me on any list.)

So what's the answer?

There is no simple solution. Maybe the hearts and minds approach will work. We now know that this approach was not truly implemented in Vietnam. It only helped corrupt people get richer.

And the "Hearts and Minds" approach can even be economically viable.

Picture this: You do not give money to poor countries. You just make preliminary studies of their needs. Say you implement a project of sewage in a big third world city. I hardly think that people will dig up the sewers and sell them!

And you would have made your factories work. You have to make the pipes and the machinery and so on. And your workers will have work. And any system need maintenance and spare parts. And who is best placed to sell spare parts that the people who built the system in the first place? And also, you are employing local people in implementing your projects, you are alleviating poverty! The same is true for telecommunications networks, road works, railways, etc.... and this is not Utopia, this is really the way Japan is giving aid. Many times I stood in appreciation before a sign saying "This project was a gift from the people of Japan" or some such words.

The third world would then consider any nation helping in such a way as a savior, and animosity will stop.

Compare the price of expensive anti-ballistic missile system and the cost of implementing such projects. Do they really have economist? didn't they even consider the above?

Comments

Testing strategy

July 14, 2007 by Brian Hayes (not verified), 2 years 19 weeks ago
Comment: 24226

I like it when you occasionally belt an issue onto the table. Facts and research tidbits are no good if not wrapped, ribboned and put in our hands for the gift of thinking.

I'll add the thrust of my current thoughts.

If we are not victoriously moving into the future, we are making a mistake. If we do not bring triumph, we've screwed up. Without cheers and applause, we are marching the wrong boulevard.

Spending America's lives require America's success. War must never be mercenary nor hint of wasting effort. Not one of us should be called to picayune battle. Where did we get the idea that we drain blood for mere policy, for mere government, for mere revenge?

We are pledged to a frontier of good living, free living, civil and collected in our drive for peace and prosperity. Of course we must cull the outlaw, the violent state and the arrogant idiot: Always, completely, quick. Of course we will bring the entire world with us: Tolerant of difference, intolerant of danger. Less will fail.

Every death is a new idea waiting our response. Currently, we are sifting the results of battle without the conviction of our purpose.

If our strategy were correct, we would be winning.

"""" "Chess champions will

July 12, 2007 by Qem (not verified), 2 years 20 weeks ago
Comment: 24215

""""
"Chess champions will always beat chess software."

Wrong!

""""

Misleading, Deep Blue was specifically programmed against Garry's style, and they didn't allow a rematch.

There's also the fact that there are variations of chess such as Go, which have even more possibilities with each move and currently, even a medium level player can beat the best computer programs currently available.

While I'm not saying always (humans unlike computers, have off-days) but human intuitiveness appears to have a real advantage to a computers number crunching when it comes to endless possibilities with games like Chess, Shougi and Go.

I don't think Deep Blue targeted a particular style

July 13, 2007 by Fred Bortz, 2 years 20 weeks ago
Comment: 24224

Deep Blue was a special purpose chess machine, but it was not programmed with a strategy. It had some heuristics based on classic strategies and positions, but it was a brute force device. Its advantage was its ability to search ahead so far that it anticipated the moves that any expert strategist might come up with.

I haven't been following this recently, but I suspect we are not hearing much about it because newer computers have even greater power. A 2007 version of Deep Blue would probably win almost every game against any Grand Master who tries to take it on.

Perhaps one of Deep Blue's project team is reading this and can enlighten us.

Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)

Fact check

July 12, 2007 by Fred Bortz, 2 years 20 weeks ago
Comment: 24212

"Chess champions will always beat chess software."

Wrong!

In 1997, IBM's chess playing machine "Deep Blue" beat World Champion Garry Kasparov.

I haven't read the rest of your post carefully, but this jumped out at me. I have a chapter on game playing computers in my book Mind Tools: The Science of Artificial Intelligence. I wrote that book before Deep Blue's triumph, but I recognized that possibility and handled it in such a way that the book was not immediately dated by the event.

Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)

Mea Culpa!

July 12, 2007 by manoamano, 2 years 20 weeks ago
Comment: 24217

If you say so, I'm not a chess expert to challenge this.

My contention was that the world is changing much more rapidly than anyone can anticipate, and new ideas create new challenges.



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