From the Washington Post, 29 May 2008
NEW YORK -- Some of the nation's leading scientists, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's top science adviser, [on 28 May 2008] sharply criticized the diminished role of science in the United States and the shortage of federal funding for research, even as science becomes increasingly important to combating problems such as climate change and the global food shortage.
Speaking at a science summit that opens this week's first World Science Festival, the expert panel of scientists, and audience members, agreed that the United States is losing stature because of a perceived high-level disdain for science.
They cited U.S. officials and others questioning scientific evidence of climate change, the reluctance to federally fund stem cell research, and some U.S. officials casting doubt on evolution as examples that have damaged America's international standing.
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Despite the bleak message of this article, I believe that it is a short-term phenomenon and we are already seeing signs of a turnaround.
My context is Chris Mooney's challenging 2005 book, The Republican War on Science, which I reviewed favorably (clicking above link get you to my review) but not without some initial reservations about the title. After all, politicians on both sides of the aisle are prone to abuse science if it suits their purpose.
Still, Mooney's points were well taken. Due to a confluence of political forces, the Republican party during the middle years of the Bush administration was systematically sowing doubt about the value of science. Many Republicans are continuing to take that stance, but I was encouraged to see that their apparent presidential nominee is more respectful of science.
For example, Senator McCain has made it apparent that he accepts the scientific consensus on global warming and intends to move toward more cooperation with other nations to mitigating its impact. Likewise, I don't see him as pushing the Religious Right's agenda on Intelligent Design. (Stay tuned for an upcoming book review on that subject.)
He probably will have to continue pandering to his base on stem-cell research, but to me, he represents a sign that the Republicans have figured out that abusing science is no longer going to be a successful political tactic. The Democrats have known that for some time, though some are guilty of overstating the case to the point that an urgent message of warning becomes counter-productively shrill.
Once the rest of the world recognizes that the American political system is treating science with respect again (though the abusers will still be getting more attention than they deserve), the unique American ability to capitalize on new ideas and generate breakthrough technologies will again propel us to the forefront.
The worst of The Republican War on Science and this country's corresponding disdain for scientific findings seems to be over. We still have a long way to go, and I personally think that electing more Democrats to Congress and electing a Democratic President will speed up the process of restoring the USA to leadership in science and technology.
But I also think the scientific panel's conclusions reflect the recent past more than the future.
I hope this posting leads to lots of discussion. Please avoid personal attacks and discuss your views of the USA's future as a leader in science and technology. I plan to stay out of this unless someone attacks me personally. Disagreeing with my views is fair game. I'll allow this post, my blog postings and my many book reviews to speak for themselves.
Comments
Loss of Leadership due to dabbling by non-scientists
June 6, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 30560
America's scientific stature is questioned when religious zealots are put into positions where they can dictate scientific policy. The recent loss of America's scientific credibility is due in part to this administration's appointment of non-scientists to positions of authority over scientific institutions and policy. In at least some cases these non-scientists have had complete disregard for scientific integrity and ethics. It is unconscionable to almost every scientist that another individual should arbitrarily censor their written works or publications. It is this blatant disregard for scientific ethics that is discussed in the media and it is the distortions and intentional misrepresentations that make others outside the US question the validity of a much broader body of our scientific works. We scientists need to make a very strong public statement regarding our displeasure with non-scientists setting scientific policy and altering scientific works with political or religious agendas. If we do not object then we become complicit to some degree with the distortions perpetrated upon our works. If we do not defend our works we can not require the same of others and so loose our leadership through loss of credibility.
To have right wing, evangelical Christians having the authority over this country's scientific works and state departments such as EPA, DOE, and scientific funding opportunities is like having the Amish running Radio Shack.
More on inspiration of the young
June 6, 2008 by Halliday, 1 year 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 30549
In adding more on inspiring of the young, as to science (and I would add mathematics). I have found that when science and/or mathematics is presented as if "we know it all" (especially if presented as a bunch of "facts" that must be learned and "accepted") little if any inspiration takes place!
I never would have gone into science if I thought we already "knew it all"! How boring! I may as well go into engineering: Simply apply what we already know in new and creative ways.
It's when students are presented with the fact that there is a vast expanse of what we don't know, or at least to what we are not so sure about even if we think we have a reasonable idea. These frontiers are the exciting parts!
I suggest one read the 1979 Omni magazine interview with Feynman. (I have it in "The Smartest Man in the World" chapter of Feynman's "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out.") It's chock full of the exciting possibilities, especially when new experiments present us with unexpected facts!
I have talked to a number of graduate students and practicing scientists and mathematicians, and, invariably, what got them interested was not how much we already know, but the expansive possibilities of the unknown!
So let's not forget to be humble and let the young know there is so much we don't know, and even how the history of science suggests that in solving these last unknowns, at least in science, we may find that what we now think we know may have to be replaced with something new.
Feynman has a definition of science that I believe is applicable here:
(This is from the "What is Science?" chapter of Feynman's "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out.")
So science is not just about what we know, but what we don't know and our continual rechecking, and healthy self doubt, over what we think we already know.
David
Re(3): inspiration of the young
June 5, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30521
However, the ability to use logical reasoning, clear logical communication, critical thinking, and problem solving (have I missed any important cognitive skills?)
Logical/mathematical abilities are not at all the only important abilities in science.
Abilities which are more often found in art/literature based curriculums are in fact required, especially:
1) Critical thinking. Without which it is difficult to be creative, because without the ability to criticize, you are not free, you accept dogmas. Accepting dogmas is of course the opposite of a genuine scientific attitude, which should not fear challenging authority when appropriate. A well-known example in recent history is e.g. the criticism Feynman made of NASA's engineering of the space shuttle.
2) Knowing that there is something called a "culture" in science too, which is the set of all the works in the history of science. This is especially important, because great discoveries often stem from cross-fertilizing from one scientific domain to another. Another reason why it is important is that although works of the past become outdated (this stems from the very nature of science), the spirit in which even outdated works were carried out can learn a lot to the apprentice scientist. Some attitudes/heuristics are more fertile than others. Example: "One must build a model of reality to study a problem [in physics], and to be useful, such a model should be sufficiently simple, but not too much" (Einstein).
3) Knowing the limits of logic/mathematical reasoning. Outside of "hard sciences" like physics or chemistry (e.g., in social sciences, economy, etc.), the very use of mathematics is debatable. Although logic and mathematics are of course very useful, their exclusive use should absolutely not be dogmatically accepted in such domains, for in fact, the difficulties of using logic for reasoning about the real world are well-known (at least since Aristotle). These difficulties raise problems which are not really solved today, thus it should be understood that the kind of modelling one can do in social sciences is always much less faithful than the kind of quasi-perfect models one can achieve in physics. In social sciences, lots of things depend on human factors, thus on the context, and also on the culture of the people involved in the phenomenons under study (although it doesn't means that everything would be equivalent to anything and/or "relative" somehow). As Antoine de St-Exupery (which was also a fertile inventor) used to put it: "Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit".
4) Knowing that there is something called a "community", and that science as a whole (as well as our modern "open societies") is built on the principle of sharing ideas. Especially, in science, when some people are more equal that others, it is not okay, it should always ring the alarm bell (although in practice, human nature being what it is, such tendencies are always more or less latent. Hintikka once explained why it is so in a brilliant essay, as far as I can remember). Another important thing to know is that ideas in science are always built by means of a kind of logic: the consequence of this is that two persons can find the same idea independently (compare this to litterature or music: in such domains, it is impossible that two different persons author exactly the same poem or the same song). As a consequence of this, work in science is much more incremental and collective than it is in arts. As the cathedral builders of the middle ages used to state it: "We are like dwarfs sitting on the shoulders of giants. We see more, and things that are more distant, than they did, not because our sight is superior or because we are taller than they, but because they raise us up, and by their great stature add to ours" (Bernard of Chartres, circa 1130).
I read again what I just wrote, and I cannot prevent me from thinking that (at least in western democracies) it's clear that science is deeply involved with the surrounding culture.
This is why the kind of spirit which pervaded over the last few years, which exploits and raises fear and sheeplike attitudes in the collective psyche, seems extremely injurious and toxic, because in such trends, the very roots of the scientific spirit in our societies are quite directly put under attack.
This is not a matter of which party do you belong to: the point is that science is one of the roots of freedom in an open society like ours. In this respect, the kind of principled contempt for science we see these days should be considered as the symptom of a deeper problem: a lack of willingness and/or ability to consider reality honestly.
This is why it's difficult to be 100% optimistic about the health of science in the US, as well as elsewhere in the western world, because it seems that science, along with the kind of human attitudes it praises, tends to be considered as politically incorrect, these days.
But I'm afraid that in the long run, it's not possible to get the science without the accompanying style, without the necessary freedoms, and without the essential understanding of such style and freedoms being widely supported and respected in our society and/or our culture.
Thus sooner or later, there will be a choice, along with a hard work to repair the damage.
Henri
Re: Re(3): inspiration of the young
June 6, 2008 by Halliday, 1 year 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 30547
Henri:
You expounded upon the Critical Thinking skill I listed nicely. And while I don't disagree that there is a "community" and "culture" (actually, "cultures", plural) in science, I'm not so sure I would consider them "important cognitive skills". (Though they are important ancillary information for all to keep in mind, whether scientist or simply citizen).
As to the "limits of logic/mathematical reasoning." I would raise a red flag of warning here! First, again this is not an "important cognitive skill", even if it is something to keep in mind. Second, while, unfortunately, "mathematics" may be of more limited applicability in the "soft sciences" (e.g. social sciences, economics, psychology, etc.), there is still most certainly the need for clear logical thinking, reasoning, and communication.
If logical reasoning cannot be applied to such "soft sciences" then, perhaps, they have usurped the designation "science", and don't deserve such. (See Feynman's many criticisms of such so called "sciences".)
On the other hand, logic and mathematics is certainly not the all-and-be-all of science. I most certainly agree that science is a creative endeavor, especially in the creation of scientific theories. (One need only look into the history of science and the evolution of individual theories through the creators' earlier works: The formative works.) The creation of anything new most certainly requires creativity. (This sounds like a tautology to me.) Simply following logical reasoning, in the formative stages, at least, will almost certainly never get you there. :-)
Actually, if you believe that mathematics and creativity are at odds then I suggest you have little true understanding of the nature of mathematics (vs. arithmetic). :-) Arithmetic is certainly highly related to pure logic (this is why computers do so well at both). Mathematics, on the other hand, requires a great deal of the creative/intuitive right hemisphere of our brains (while still using the logical left hemisphere). In fact, I would suggest that mathematics requires approximately equal portions of both (more of one or the other at different times, of course).
As for the applicability, or not, of logic and/or mathematics to fields such as sociology, economics, and psychology, have you noticed the advancements made via the use of differential equations within economics, or the suggestions made by many in sociology and/or psychology that their disciplines should be reworked upon the basis of quantum mechanics rather than the present foundation of Newtonian mechanics? Perhaps the problem has more to do will a lack of vision toward the use of new forms of mathematics, than to any inapplicability per se.
Just a few thoughts on "important cognitive skills". Yes, perhaps I should have added creative thinking and/or other forms of creativity to my list of "important cognitive skills". :-)
David
Re: Re(3): inspiration of the young
June 9, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 30582
And while I don't disagree that there is a "community" and "culture" (actually, "cultures", plural) in science, I'm not so sure I would consider them "important cognitive skills". (Though they are important ancillary information for all to keep in mind, whether scientist or simply citizen).
"cognitive skills" is not the only indispensable thing: knowledge, especially the knowledge about how to use your cognitive skills effectively is of paramount importance.
Thus I would not qualify such knowledge as ancillary: it is at least as much important as the raw cognitive skills.
there is still most certainly the need for clear logical thinking, reasoning, and communication.
It's unquestionable.
As to the "limits of logic/mathematical reasoning." I would raise a red flag of warning here! First, again this is not an "important cognitive skill", even if it is something to keep in mind.
You must do much more than keeping this in mind, for the ability to build models is one of the main skills of a scientist (at least in sciences like physics; pure mathematics is of course different).
Second, while, unfortunately, "mathematics" may be of more limited applicability in the "soft sciences" (e.g. social sciences, economics, psychology, etc.), there is still most certainly the need for clear logical thinking, reasoning, and communication.
Granted.
If logical reasoning cannot be applied to such "soft sciences" then, perhaps, they have usurped the designation "science", and don't deserve such. (See Feynman's many criticisms of such so called "sciences".)
No, it's most probably that the right mathematical language and/or concepts have not been invented yet.
I also would like to insist on the very important fact that even in hard sciences, using mathematics appropriately is often hard, because where the real art is is in devising the right model. As Einstein once said:
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
This is the problem I wanted to allude to, and I wanted to underline that any serious scientist must know these things.
Actually, if you believe that mathematics and creativity are at odds then I suggest you have little true understanding of the nature of mathematics (vs. arithmetic).
Actually, I have a fairly extended training (several years) in mathematics, although I decided not to become a professional mathematician.
As for the applicability, or not, of logic and/or mathematics to fields such as sociology, economics, and psychology, have you noticed the advancements made via the use of differential equations within economics, or the suggestions made by many in sociology and/or psychology that their disciplines should be reworked upon the basis of quantum mechanics rather than the present foundation of Newtonian mechanics? Perhaps the problem has more to do will a lack of vision toward the use of new forms of mathematics, than to any inapplicability per se.
If you want to discuss the health of science in western countries (as I remember, the original question was around this), you need to understand how people use and/or understand science.
Thus it's pretty clear that there are lots of new innovative ways to use mathematics in many sciences, I don't want to deny that.
What I want to say is that lots of problems related to understanding of science by the public in the large stem from the fact that too often, extremists dominate the debate: on the one hand, in soft sciences, people sometimes use mathematics and logics as a quasi-mystical tool to enforce their (undeserved) authority. And on the other hand, other people (e.g. ID afficionados) are trying to dismiss rationality as a whole for the sole purpose of fullfilling their narrow political agenda.
All these people are enemies of science (and freedoms), and what we need is more people to transmit the basics of science to as large a public as possible, without turning it in what it is not (i.e.: not turning science to an authority which has answers for everything).
That's another thing I would like to say: the current problems about the health of science in the US and elsewhere are strongly related to the domination of extremists which monopolize the speech about science in the public debate.
And it is my feeling that if science as a whole, i.e. not only the "important cognitive skills", but also the context, i.e. how it works when you are practicing science, if these things were more widely known, then it would be much harder for the extremists to obtain the undeserved credence they seem to enjoy nowadays.
Henri
Re: Re(3): inspiration of the young
June 9, 2008 by Halliday, 1 year 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 30589
Henri:
I most certainly agree with your statement:
The contextual and historic characteristics of science could be the most important aspects of science to be taught to non-scientists. (This is not to say that scientists shouldn't be taught this. They should. It's just that I expect that these aspects may be even more important for those not "steeped" in the discipline of science.)
Science must, of necessity (in order to be science), in my opinion, be rigorous in logic and models (whether mathematical or otherwise). (It must also be falsifiable, with nature being the ultimate arbiter/authority.) At the same time, both scientists and non-scientists need to understand that science is not just about what we know, but what we don't know and our continual rechecking (read: New observations/experiments), and healthy self doubt, over what we think we already know.
An overuse of "science as ultimate authority" is, in my opinion, detrimental to science. For one, it goes against the "definition" of science as expressed by Feynman (as "the result of the discovery that it is worthwhile rechecking by new direct experience, and not necessarily trusting the race experience from the past"). For another, insistence that science is such an "ultimate authority" is at least one of the root causes of the disillusionment many non-scientists appear to have experienced with regard to science. (Another is the all too common assertion that science [of one form or another] will "cure all ills" [not just medical ills, but social, environmental, energy/materials related, etc.]. The problem that is seldom acknowledged up front, but confronted after the fact, is that science is done by humans, and humans are not so smart or wise as to be able to account for all potential side effects/consequences.)
So, yes, the public (as well as scientists) need to know more of what science is and what it is not: The extremes need to be "banished". Furthermore, we as scientists, while we like the idea of being considered "authorities" and/or "saviors" (of mankind, say), we should be more humble about our work and profession. For instance, we shouldn't "bristle" at the application of the label "theory" to our models/theories/etc., after all, that's what they are. We must acknowledge the limitations of science, even though it is arguably the best method of pursuing the true nature of the natural world (short of nature herself revealing all to us directly).
David
Science must, of necessity
June 11, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 30617
Science must, of necessity (in order to be science), in my opinion, be rigorous in logic and models (whether mathematical or otherwise).
We definitely agree on this.
science is not just about what we know, but what we don't know and our continual rechecking (read: New observations/experiments), and healthy self doubt, over what we think we already know.
I also agree. That's the very first thing e.g. Descarte's philosophy is about : teaching how to doubt.
An overuse of "science as ultimate authority" is, in my opinion, detrimental to science.
Difficult to disagree on this...
So, yes, the public (as well as scientists) need to know more of what science is and what it is not: The extremes need to be "banished".
This is the classical problem with extremes: on the one hand, you have to respect their (e.g. free speech) rights, in spite of your knowledge that because they cheat the rules in many respects, they are more efficient than you (as far as convincing people is concerned).
On the other hand, while sticking to your own, more difficult (but more creative and real) standard, you must find a way to defeat them.
we like the idea of being considered "authorities" and/or "saviors" (of mankind, say)
As far as salvation by means of science is concerned, this is precisely where the hard problem is: having the right technology is necessary in such cases where science can help, but it is not sufficient, because how to use, as well as what to do with the technology is NOT the job of the scientists: it's the job of the people. On the other hand, it is definitely related to our jobs, and there is definitely something that the practice of science teaches us, including being humble, as you say. But having the pride of stating that yes, there are appropriate uses of science which can change the world for the better, and that we work for this, rather than e.g., for building tools for enforcing power on others and undermining the very roots of our civilization, this pride remains ours (although it's not very often voiced these days in the public debates, IMHO).
Henri
"Loss of Leadership"
June 9, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 30594
The question is "Loss of Leadership" at least our, American scientists' perceived loss of leadership. I was recently at an international conference in Belgium. At an evening meeting one of the moderators began asking what countries the attendees were from; Russia, South Africa, France etc. When he came to America few attendees acknowledged that they were from the US, they, actually we were embarrassed to admit we were from the US. Why, because we are seen in light of the current Administration. It is widely known that meddling has occurred with scientific papers. That funding has been directed and cited with a political agenda. We are loosing our leadership because we are being discredited by interference from people who have a cavalier attitude toward the value of science and to some degree a fear of the truth.
KMS
Lack of basic science and inspiration of the young
June 2, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30467
I feel that the loss of leadership in science comes not with how many PHDs are bieng awarded and funded but from a loss of the interest and enthusiasim of our yound students. To a large degree we have lost the freedom in our educational system to teach problem solving skills and to challenge our students to discover scientifc priciples in an open forum. Science education has been forced into a regurgitation of dry facts in order to pass the No-child-left-behind battary of tests. The awe and mystery, the excitement that captures a young mind to select science as a carrer is lost.
Without this early facination with the sciences few choose a path into the field. Science can be dull at times with long days of data collection and analyses for the hope of a new discovery. Without an underlying drive fueled by the excitement of discovering something new few students will persist in what can be a difficult area of study. To renew our leadership we need to renew our sence of freedom and discovery and find a new way to measure cognative skill other than multiple question tests.
KMS5000
Re: inspiration of the young
June 3, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30477
KMS5000:
I most certainly agree that we need to be able to inspire the young with science, and "regurgitation of dry facts" is most certainly not ever going to cut it!
Are you a science teacher in K through 12? Unfortunately, I most certainly cannot speak from experience about what "No-child-left-behind" did or did not do in this area. However, having worked with Professor David Hestenes (at Arizona State University) on aspects of science education at the High School level I can most certainly state that simply "having to" asses knowledge and understanding (as opposed to some "cognitive skill") via "multiple question tests" most certainly does not have to lead to a "regurgitation of dry facts" approach to teaching science. (In fact, we most certainly advocated and tried to help facilitate a hands-on approach that provided for the students to take ownership in the scientific knowledge they gained.)
Of course "cognitive skill" and "problem solving skills" are other important aspects of much more than just science. Yes, both science and mathematics (as opposed to just arithmetic) exercise these skill sets greatly. However, the ability to use logical reasoning, clear logical communication, critical thinking, and problem solving (have I missed any important cognitive skills?) are important in so many walks of life. (I would say that unless a person is to simply serve as an automaton all their life, then they need these skills.*)
I expect that assessing such broad cognitive skills is very difficult to accomplish via "multiple question tests", and certainly will never be taught via wrote learning and "regurgitation of dry [or even otherwise] facts". However, IQ, college entrance (SAT and ACT), and graduate entrance tests/exams have been "multiple question tests" for a long time with, apparently, reasonable efficacy.
So the use of "multiple question tests", alone, need not be a problem, unless teachers simply "teach to the test" (as I have seen occur over and over with my children in their High School years). "Teaching to the tests", in order to "get the students though the system" is what I, at least, see as the real culprit in sapping the freedom and creativity out of our educational system. Whether this is school administrators pressuring the teachers, or teachers "taking the easy way out" I don't know. All I know is that this "teaching to the test" approach, however it gets instilled into the educational system, will sap true learning every time.
David
* Of course one could probably get into quite the heated debate over whether "corporate america" (and possibly certain political interests) really, in actuality, desire to mold our young people (future workers and voters) into such automatons. However, I think it best to leave this aspect alone, since I'm sure none of us want such.
Re: inspiration of the young, #2
June 3, 2008 by Halliday, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30478
I'm sorry, I didn't notice that I wasn't logged in (I usually am automatically logged in) when I wrote the previous post.
Sorry.
David
Re(2): inspiration of the young
June 3, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30479
To fertilize a discussion that seems to be going well, I suggest exploring some other viewpoints about No Child Left Behind by reading one of my earlier blog postings and the comments it drew.
As far as my own efforts to inspire the young, my career path took me from research to liaison to K-12 from major NSF-funded university research centers, to a research faculty position in a school of education, and finally to full time writing where I do an end-run around the curriculum by writing books that good teachers of both science and English figure out how to use and by making personal appearances that usually leave kids and teachers buzzing for days.
My favorite book for getting kids to understand the value of science is To the Young Scientist, a collection of profiles for middle grade and junior high readers, including a quotation from Richard Smalley, a chemist who won the Nobel Prize a year after my interview that states, "I don't think that most people thought I would amount to anything as a high-schooler. Neither did I, frankly....I never thought I would even get a job, let alone be a scientist, let alone [be] lucky enough to have been in areas that have had an impact so far beyond my expectations."
Sorry for the interruption. As "Linda Richman" might say on SNL's "Coffee Talk," Talk among yourselves. No Child Left Behind is neither about children nor behinds. DISCUSS! :)
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
To: Fred Bortz
May 31, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30426
Your anti-Bush/anti-Republican rants just spell out your lack of objectivity. You probably are against the liberation of Iraq and support the Iranian "peaceful" nuclear program, correct?
Re: To: Fred Bortz
May 31, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30427
I'll repeat what I said in the original posting:
"Please avoid personal attacks and discuss your views of the USA's future as a leader in science and technology. I plan to stay out of this unless someone attacks me personally. Disagreeing with my views is fair game. I'll allow this post, my blog postings and my many book reviews to speak for themselves."
David understood that I was looking for reasonable discussion. Anonymous thinks that labeling a posting as a "rant" defines it as a rant.
No response beyond this is necessary.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
x ray
May 30, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30417
medical imaging equipment is very practical basic level medical device,and are widely applied to medical diagnosis service such as perspective detection.
Re: Panel bemoans U.S. loss of scientific leadership
May 30, 2008 by Halliday, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30408
Fred:
I agree that this particular scientific panel's "conclusions" reflect their perception of "the recent past more than the future". However, I see there being far more to the US' "loss of scientific leadership". I see the decline as preceding the "recent past" by a large margin!
Sure, dispersions upon science by US leadership can affect perception across the world (including here at home). Sure, lack of public funding slows progress. Sure, a ban on certain kinds of research, or, rather, the use of certain materials for certain kinds of research, can at least, on the surface, appear to slow progress (of some kind or other). Unfortunately, I see the real problem as running far deeper than these more superficial issues.
What of the move away from corporate funded fundamental science research toward public funded research with the advent of the Cold War? Sure, it had some benefits (and I certainly wouldn't want to see an abolition of institutions such as NASA, and I believe the National Labs have a significant role to play), but now that the Cold War "threat" is gone, it is much more difficult for the federal government to justify as large a public expenditure (even as small as it really is compared to so many other governmental programs). But has the corporate sector taken up the slack? Have they even returned to near prior levels? Hardly!
After so many years of simply being able to sup at the table of science lain out by government labs (why spend the money when you can get so much for free?) they have become complacently dependent. It's a corporate form of the "dependence mentality" that the federal government has sewn for decades.
Besides, corporations have moved from a recognition that science creates the foundation for new products, services, markets, etc.; to a belief that all such comes through engineering and technology. After all, that's what they have been engaged in almost exclusively for oh these many decades. The problem is they (and I would say the majority of the US people) have lost sight of the fact that engineering and technology sup at the table of science, and unless one invests in the fundamental science the table will not be so readily stocked in the future.
A parallel, and possibly dependent, issue is the perception that Ph.D.'s belong in academia, and not the corporate environment. Look at how issues of "oversupply" of Ph.D.'s is framed: It's almost invariably framed in terms of how many Ph.D.'s are being produced relative to academic positions. After all, isn't that the sole place for Ph.D.'s? (There also appears to be corporate fear of any Ph.D.'s that aren't "home grown" [brought up within the company culture, indoctrinated in the corporate way].)
No, Fred, I fear the real issues run far deeper, and are more fundamental. Unfortunately, this leads me to be less hopeful that this "U.S. loss of scientific leadership" is to be but a "short-term phenomenon", let alone that "we are already seeing signs of a turnaround."
David
Belief in progress
June 1, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 4 weeks ago
Comment id: 30446
I own a PhD and I do research since around 10 years now, and I'm convinced that intellectual freedom is important, and even indispensable in carrying on a research program. Especially, really good ideas cannot be pursued by means of only a short -term agenda, and the long-term plan you must build for this purpose is never guaranteed to succeed (otherwise it would not be research).
I bring back these very simple basics of how to do research for the sake of making these explicit, and to notice that nowadays, lots of people seem to neglect this aspect of science: and especially in corporate environments, it seems that people really don't get it.
Thus I see no evidence that corporate funding ever has been better for science, especially not from the point of view of fundamental research, i.e. the kind of thing that usually brings no direct benefits in a forseeable future. In my experience, state-funded research brings more freedom to researchers, although of course, there have been environments like bell labs in the past, but such kind of quality tends to remain an exception in the corporate world.
Closer to a real explanation for the problem of science decline in the west would rather be the fact that during the cold war, the west was fighting a power (the USSR) which (at least that's what they claimed) was somehow built on the idea that progress is the most fundamental force in human history (they were even claiming that there are "laws of history" which completely determine the historical future).
The point is: now that USSR has been put down, it seems to me that (especially in the US), intellectual tendencies are going in a direction where everything which is related to USSR (or to "socialism") is blindly rejected in a way that was not practiced in previous times. And of course, this is because in these previous times, our own survival was called into question, thus it would have been foolish to despise science.
Nowadays, things are different, and our lack of willingness to criticize our own culture and to see our weaknesses leads us to a very unwise and appalling path.
To quote only one example mentioned above: in the 70's, the idea of a public, widely respected attack on evolution (aka "intelligent design") could only have been written in a science fiction book, or perhaps in charlatanic science works like Lyssenko's.
Since several years now, from the point of view of progress and the simple fact that science should be part of our culture, it regularly seems to me that we are living in a nightmare. It's exacly like that: the real situation and lack of concern is in fact appalling: science (i.e.: rigour in science, and the related belief in human progress) is being silently erased from the public culture. But exacly like it is in a nightmare, we act like if nothing was that dangerous, because we feel we sleep, and that for sure, we will awake at the end of the night.
But as far as I know, nobody is sleeping here, and redressing the situation will not happen without a lot of effort. And currently, it seems to me that we don't really believe in the current reality, we believe "of course, it's temporary". But it's not, although step by step, we unwise dreamers surrender without even a fight.
Henri
Thanks, Henri and David. Others please respond.
June 1, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 1 year 4 weeks ago
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Adding Henri's recent comments to David's, we now have a great start to a serious discussion of the future of science in American culture as well as the issue of the stature of the United States as a leader in the world's scientific and technological progress.
I hope others will add their perspectives as well.
When reading Henri's remarks, I noticed a great similarity between his statement that "our lack of willingness to criticize our own culture and to see our weaknesses leads us to a very unwise and appalling path" and the subtitle of a book that I just reviewed, Only A Theory: Evolution and the Battle for America's Soul by Kenneth R. Miller. Miller was the lead witness for the plaintiffs in the latest major Intelligent Design case, Kitzmiller v. Dover, in Harrisburg PA.
I'll be posting that review here after it appears in the Pittsbugh Post-Gazette, most likely on June 15.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)