Old men chasing young women: A good thing
It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa Barbara.
Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans, according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is finished reproducing.
"Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a whole," Puleston said. "It's advantageous to the species if these people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of both sexes."
"Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan," was published Aug. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE. Shripad Tuljapurkar, the Morrison Professor of Population Studies at Stanford; Puleston; and Michael Gurven, an assistant professor of anthropology at UCSB, co-authored the study in an effort to understand why humans don't die when female reproduction ends.
Human ability to scale the so-called "wall of death"—surviving beyond the reproductive years—has been a center of scientific controversy for more than 50 years, Puleston said. "The central question is: Why should a species that stops reproducing by some age stick around afterward?" he said. "Evolutionary theory predicts that, over time, harmful mutations that decrease survival will arise in the population and will remain invisible to natural selection after reproduction ends." However, in hunter-gatherer societies, which likely represent early human demographic conditions and mating patterns, one-third of people live beyond 55 years, past the reproductive lifespan for women. Furthermore, life expectancy in today's industrialized countries is 75 to 85 years, with mortality increasing gradually, not abruptly, following female menopause.
Grandmother hypothesis
In 1966, William Hamilton, a British evolutionary biologist, worked out the mathematics describing the "wall of death." Since then, the most popular explanation for why humans don't die by age 55 has been termed the "grandmother hypothesis," which suggests that women enhance the survival of their children and grandchildren by living long enough to care for them and "increasing the success of their genes," Puleston said. However, Hamilton's work has been difficult to express as a mathematical and genetic argument explaining why people live into old age.
Unlike previous research on human reproduction, this study—for the first time—includes data on males, a tweak that allowed the researchers to begin answering the "wall of death" question by matching it to human mortality patterns. According to Puleston, earlier studies looked only at women, because scientists can reproduce good datasets for humans entirely based on information related to female fertility and survival rates.
"Men's fertility is contingent on women's fertility—you have to figure out how they match up. We care about reproduction because that is a currency by which force of selection is counted. If we have not accounted for the entire pattern of reproduction, we may be missing something that's important to evolution."
Men and longevity
In the paper, the researchers analyzed "a general two-sex model to show that selection favors survival for as long as men reproduce." The scientists presented a "range of data showing that males much older than 50 years have substantial realized fertility through matings with younger females, a pattern that was likely typical among early humans." As a result, Puleston said, older male fertility helps to select against damaging cell mutations in humans who have passed the age of female menopause, consequently eliminating the "wall of death."
"Our analysis shows that old-age male fertility allows evolution to breach Hamilton's wall of death and predicts a gradual rise in mortality after the age of female menopause without relying on 'grandmother' effects or economic optimality," the researchers say in the paper.
The scientists compiled longevity and fertility data from two hunter-gatherer groups, the Dobe !Kung of the Kalahari and the Ache of Paraguay, one of the most isolated populations in the world. They also looked at the forager-farmer Yanomamo of Brazil and Venezuela, and the Tsimane, an indigenous group in Bolivia. "They're living a lifestyle that our ancestors lived and their fertility patterns are probably most consistent with our ancestors," Puleston said about the four groups. The study also looked at several farming villages in Gambia and, for comparison, a group of modern Canadians.
In the less developed, traditional societies, males were as much as 5-to-15 years older than their female partners. In the United States and Europe, the age spread was about two years. "It's a universal pattern that in typical marriages men are older than women," Puleston said. "The age gaps vary by culture, but in every group we looked at men start [being reproductive] later. At the end of reproduction, male fertility rates taper off gradually, as opposed to the fairly sharp decline in female fertility by menopause." Despite small differences based on marriage traditions, all women and most men in the six groups stopped having children by their 50s, the researchers found. But some men, particularly high-status males, continued to reproduce into their 70s. The paper noted that the age gap is most pronounced in societies that favor polygyny, where a man takes several wives, and in gerontocracies, where older men monopolize access to reproductive women. The authors also cite genetic and anthropological evidence that early humans were probably polygynous as well.
Older male fertility also exists in societies supporting serial monogamy, because men are more likely to remarry than women. "For these reasons, we argue that realized male fertility was substantial at ages well past female menopause for much of human history and the result is reflected in the mortality patterns of modern populations," the authors say. "We conclude that deleterious mutations acting after the age of female menopause are selected against … solely as a result of the matings between older males and younger females."
According to Puleston, the "grandmother hypothesis" may be true, but the real pattern of male fertility extends beyond this explanation. "The key question is: Does the population have a greater growth rate if men are reproducing at a later age? The answer is 'yes.' The age of last reproduction gets pushed into the 60s and 70s if you add men to the analysis. Hamilton's approach was right, but in a species where males and females have different reproductive patterns, you need a two-sex model. You can't correctly estimate the force of selection if you leave men out of the picture. As a man myself, it's gratifying to know that men do matter."
Grants from the U.S. National Institute on Aging supported this study.
Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans, according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is finished reproducing.
"Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a whole," Puleston said. "It's advantageous to the species if these people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of both sexes."
"Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan," was published Aug. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE. Shripad Tuljapurkar, the Morrison Professor of Population Studies at Stanford; Puleston; and Michael Gurven, an assistant professor of anthropology at UCSB, co-authored the study in an effort to understand why humans don't die when female reproduction ends.
Human ability to scale the so-called "wall of death"—surviving beyond the reproductive years—has been a center of scientific controversy for more than 50 years, Puleston said. "The central question is: Why should a species that stops reproducing by some age stick around afterward?" he said. "Evolutionary theory predicts that, over time, harmful mutations that decrease survival will arise in the population and will remain invisible to natural selection after reproduction ends." However, in hunter-gatherer societies, which likely represent early human demographic conditions and mating patterns, one-third of people live beyond 55 years, past the reproductive lifespan for women. Furthermore, life expectancy in today's industrialized countries is 75 to 85 years, with mortality increasing gradually, not abruptly, following female menopause.
Grandmother hypothesis
In 1966, William Hamilton, a British evolutionary biologist, worked out the mathematics describing the "wall of death." Since then, the most popular explanation for why humans don't die by age 55 has been termed the "grandmother hypothesis," which suggests that women enhance the survival of their children and grandchildren by living long enough to care for them and "increasing the success of their genes," Puleston said. However, Hamilton's work has been difficult to express as a mathematical and genetic argument explaining why people live into old age.
Unlike previous research on human reproduction, this study—for the first time—includes data on males, a tweak that allowed the researchers to begin answering the "wall of death" question by matching it to human mortality patterns. According to Puleston, earlier studies looked only at women, because scientists can reproduce good datasets for humans entirely based on information related to female fertility and survival rates.
"Men's fertility is contingent on women's fertility—you have to figure out how they match up. We care about reproduction because that is a currency by which force of selection is counted. If we have not accounted for the entire pattern of reproduction, we may be missing something that's important to evolution."
Men and longevity
In the paper, the researchers analyzed "a general two-sex model to show that selection favors survival for as long as men reproduce." The scientists presented a "range of data showing that males much older than 50 years have substantial realized fertility through matings with younger females, a pattern that was likely typical among early humans." As a result, Puleston said, older male fertility helps to select against damaging cell mutations in humans who have passed the age of female menopause, consequently eliminating the "wall of death."
"Our analysis shows that old-age male fertility allows evolution to breach Hamilton's wall of death and predicts a gradual rise in mortality after the age of female menopause without relying on 'grandmother' effects or economic optimality," the researchers say in the paper.
The scientists compiled longevity and fertility data from two hunter-gatherer groups, the Dobe !Kung of the Kalahari and the Ache of Paraguay, one of the most isolated populations in the world. They also looked at the forager-farmer Yanomamo of Brazil and Venezuela, and the Tsimane, an indigenous group in Bolivia. "They're living a lifestyle that our ancestors lived and their fertility patterns are probably most consistent with our ancestors," Puleston said about the four groups. The study also looked at several farming villages in Gambia and, for comparison, a group of modern Canadians.
In the less developed, traditional societies, males were as much as 5-to-15 years older than their female partners. In the United States and Europe, the age spread was about two years. "It's a universal pattern that in typical marriages men are older than women," Puleston said. "The age gaps vary by culture, but in every group we looked at men start [being reproductive] later. At the end of reproduction, male fertility rates taper off gradually, as opposed to the fairly sharp decline in female fertility by menopause." Despite small differences based on marriage traditions, all women and most men in the six groups stopped having children by their 50s, the researchers found. But some men, particularly high-status males, continued to reproduce into their 70s. The paper noted that the age gap is most pronounced in societies that favor polygyny, where a man takes several wives, and in gerontocracies, where older men monopolize access to reproductive women. The authors also cite genetic and anthropological evidence that early humans were probably polygynous as well.
Older male fertility also exists in societies supporting serial monogamy, because men are more likely to remarry than women. "For these reasons, we argue that realized male fertility was substantial at ages well past female menopause for much of human history and the result is reflected in the mortality patterns of modern populations," the authors say. "We conclude that deleterious mutations acting after the age of female menopause are selected against … solely as a result of the matings between older males and younger females."
According to Puleston, the "grandmother hypothesis" may be true, but the real pattern of male fertility extends beyond this explanation. "The key question is: Does the population have a greater growth rate if men are reproducing at a later age? The answer is 'yes.' The age of last reproduction gets pushed into the 60s and 70s if you add men to the analysis. Hamilton's approach was right, but in a species where males and females have different reproductive patterns, you need a two-sex model. You can't correctly estimate the force of selection if you leave men out of the picture. As a man myself, it's gratifying to know that men do matter."
Grants from the U.S. National Institute on Aging supported this study.
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Anonymous Comments
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45461
This young lady apparently has some difficult problems, along with misunderstandings about life.
Yep...
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45455
Yep, probably some old fat hag who is jealous. A lady who is 22 is an adult lady, and obviously more mature than the lady who posted her comment about this man being a pedaphile.
Pick a number
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45453
I don't know how I came across this internet site but the minute I opened it I noticed all the numbers. 39 and 57, 29 and 53 and so on
Age ain't nothing but a number and that number can be changed. It's not the number that is attached to you that matters in life but what you do everyday. I was once married to a man who claimed to be 7 years older than me. Ten years later I discovered that he was in fact 16 years older than me. I should have known because he definitely was not merging into adulthood when my mom set me up with him. He looked and acted older and I was still a kid.
why beat her
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45437
why beat her because you cant describe her as the gold digger you want to? tat may mean she cares about him as a person. in 10 more years when you are decrepit and alone you will rethink the above comments. you could date someone a little older once you grow up that is. 35 aint young, so id shut it down and shut it up before all there is left for me to do is run my mouth. im from the usa. whatever idiot who came up with this daddy issue thing needs to dig up there dad and have a conversation with him. a persons dad is not their reason for living. if a young woman dates an old man she wants a dad. if a boy beats a woman, he did not have a dad. if a girl becomes a whore she needs a dad. if you sad and depressed your dad must not have been there. give me a break!!!!!!
the new women cant change what the old did
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45436
the new women cant change what the old did. i am young, and excepting a man with a mistress does not equal fidelity. feeling that you have to look the other way is demeaning. if thta is whta you want to do; i say stay your ass over there. im young, im fine, and i have no desire to ever marry, so the joke is hardly on me. And if women became lesbians the joke would be on you. im not a lesbian, but just as some would say that they dont want to live here because they cant keep a man, who wants to live there were you need a man to survive. there is good and bad in everything, but settling is never the answer. im young and my boyfriend is older but i am there because i like him, nothing else. Your a human which makes you nothing special; there are millions like you and there are women too, a man is not a necessity, especially not any man in particular. so pull your head at your ass. and i mean that with ll respect and love. My main point for writing was to say you can hardly say they demand fidelity but look the other way when their man cheats, and to also say you cant change the past you can only carve out a life for you.
dont give up
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45435
i dont know if you have ever been married and it is beside the point anyway. dont give up on finding a good man. maybe it is the stressing that is causing everything to show in your face. And at 22 you have worries, but i guess they are just not the same worries. 33 isnt so far from 25, just keep being the amazing women you are. relax!
Fatherfigure?
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45434
yes there is something wrong with it if u are sleeping with him!
no offense to you at all, but i wish you people would quit thinking that every old guy is rich. that is so not the case.
you sadistic piece of trash
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45433
just because a younger woman dates an old man or vice versa it does not make them needy or perverted. Just because you have tattoos does not mean that you are trash. you are a horrible, small minded, simple, imbecile. Tattoos dont make you work at McDonald's, and please please don't act like your dumb a** has never cheated or known a friend to do so. That is why your old BI*** A## is probably divorced; people whore because that is who they are, tattoos and showing a## crack is not the definition of the loser. It is call trend, and that is not the reason for many people who get them; I know your old behind had plenty of tacky trends in 1842 when you were little. Am i attacking you, hell yes because you really pissed me off! i am young, not a tattoo or piercing in or out of sight. I'm college educated in my early twenties and dating a man in his late 40's. My favorite type of clothing is tight dresses and short skirts, and yes i love my high heels baby. dont be so quick to judge; im sure you don't care what im saying, but say you were a sensitive person having someone talk down to you could be very painful true you have the right to state your opinion, but i think you should shove your opinion up your self-centered, conceited, ass! Your perhaps right about it being the way of the world, but how dare you attack a child; how dare you say bastard when referring to a child. that is like when people use to say yo momma to attack people. the child has nothing to do with it, so watch your mouth! As for you not thinking 20 year old are hot; quit lying because there aint a soul out their buying it. You may not want to date them for whatever reason, but you know damn well you have seen a beautiful 20 year old female. don't act simple, that and a petty ass liar are the two type of people i cant stand! date your 40 old women, i don't give a damn, but your ass isn't even on topic. This is about young woman old man relationships, not your prejudices against the young generation. minus your first few statements your commentary was unnecessary, check your blog you stupid ass; you are on the wrong one. i hope you read this, but i fer you wont because this is probably an old blog. talk what you know; i bet you wouldn't step to a 20 year old and say half the shit you just stated above.
39 year old in love with a 57 year old
October 12, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45427
We're extremely happy together and very, very in love. He's the most beautiful man I've ever held in my arms. The satisfaction level is off the scale and I kiss the ground he walks on. The ratio of love to consideration is balanced and mature. There is no self -aggrandizement and he's never acted in a way to manipulate any power or influence over me, nor ever attempted to selfishly draw attention to his own importance like the younger boyfriends I've had. He's strong and healthy, compassioned and brilliant. I will always love David, and will stay in love with him for eternity.
We're all sick of old men's sh*t
October 12, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45426
....... stay with your wife and stop procrastinating!
Old men are full of .......
October 12, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45424
If age is just a number, then stay with your old wife, old man
Step away from the computer......
October 11, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 45392
You know the saying "people like to hear themselves talk"?......Well, apparently people like to see their posts too! I've read all the comments and have noticed a couple things; many posts are the same one posted over and over or there are several posts and they are obviously written by the same person.
Oh, and I love how most of the posters writing "age is just a number" are trying to justify their attraction and/or relationship to much younger people.
I AM SO F...KIN' TIRED.
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 4 hours ago
Comment id: 45386
I AM SO F...KIN' TIRED. PEOPLE WHO DON'T VALUE THEIR SLEEP DON'T VALUE OTHER PEOPLE'S SLEEP
"I find older men very
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 8 hours ago
Comment id: 45383
"I find older men very interesting on a physical, mental, emotional & sexual level."
You're right! Older men are wonderful in bed. They have a lot of experience from their previous marriage. They already have kids, so they know how to be a father to you (if that's what you're looking for?) and to your future children. There is nothing wrong with a woman wanting a father figure.
Older men are also easy to talk to. They never ignore you, they give you a lot of attention. In fact, they go out of their way to do things for you because they care so much about you. They will put you in a mansion, and provide for you because they want to show you how strong their commitments are to you, now and forever.
to young woman
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 11 hours ago
Comment id: 45373
what u said moved smthg inside me.
im a young woman too
Nosy old people
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 22 hours ago
Comment id: 45364
Has anyone ever noticed how nosy old people can be? Especially older/old women, they're the worst. They're nosy because they don't have a life. They hang around environment (young people environment) they don't belong in. And it's so obvious that they are there to snoop on young women because they look so out of place.
They should be out playing bingo instead.
Perfect match
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 22 hours ago
Comment id: 45363
Worn out men belong with worn out women.
Their wives are bored with them
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 23 hours ago
Comment id: 45362
Older men don't get a lot of attention from their older wives. Hee hee hee
Mother-in-law who doesn't have a life
October 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45359
I hate my mother-in-law. She's f*cked up. She claims she is 55 but she looks like 65. I found out later that she changed her age when she was young. Her real age is 65. She is retired and has a lot of time on her hands to mind her daughter-in-law's business. She is an old used- slut. She couldn't get her shit together when she was young. And now that she's old, she still can't get her shit together. She only knows what 'not to do'.
Well now you can see why
October 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45348
Well now you can see why older women aren't exactly enthralled by older men either!
They probably stare at you because you dress and act up to be stared at; hell for you would probably be if they all ignored you as it would mean you couldn't brag about being so hot that bald ugly guys stare at you!
You may want to resit that
October 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45347
You may want to resit that grammar class - disgusting
Older men's sexual lives
October 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45340
When was the last time you kissed your older wife?
An older man who is committed to the marriage institution should go down on his older wife. If he doesn't, that means he does not love her.
He's just keeping her there as a maid to cook his food, wash and iron his clothes, etc.... But as far as love is concerned, he does not love her. As as soon as he finds a younger woman, he will dump her (his older wife).
BEWARE!
The crap on this internet site does not match reality out there
October 8, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45330
In reality, if a worn out old pervert approaches a young woman, he will get a slap in the face.
OLDER MEN BLIND THEMSELVES TO REALITY
October 8, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45329
"the ones you don't want looking at you approach you."
Yeah, the ones with no moral sense tend to approach you. The ones who are old enough to be your father. It just shows that their perception of reality is distorted.
I THINK OLDER MEN SHOULD REALLY GET OVER THEIR BIGOTRY ABOUT OLDER WOMEN. They should approach older women instead, or give their older wives the attention they need. Just because their wives are older, doesn't mean they don't have feelings.
When MEN say that they're the ones COMMITTED to the marriage institution, what do they mean by that'? What do they mean by 'commitment'?
I believe part of that commitment is to enjoy the sight of your older wife and make love to her instead of watching porno on the computer.
Older Man, Younger Women
October 8, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45327
I've been lucky. I've been able to pursue both younger and older women and can say that one is lucky to find happiness with anyone. You can be with a lot of people but that doesn't guarantee happiness. I've had a girlfriend who was only 20 and she was far more mature and calm and classy than the 50 year old Yale grad who had a stick up her ass. I've had a girlfriend close to my age and while she was a fun person her priorities were all out of whack. You never can tell what you'll end up with. So I decided a long time ago to give all attractions a chance. One of them may work out for the long-haul. Age really doesn't matter.
What do you expect?
October 8, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45323
I'm not young, but I'm not yet old & I find older men very interesting on a physical, mental, emotional & sexual level. They do treat me differently than men my own age, but that may be because I WANT them to notice me - I may be missing some men my age looking my way, but I'm fine with living with my blinders on.
To the young women who get offended when "ugly" old men look at them, please remember a piece of advice my father gave me when I was in high school:
Remember that when you dress to be noticed by a certain guy, ALL guys are certain to notice you. You have to prepare yourself for the ones you want to notice you to not say a thing and the ones you don't want looking at you to approach you. Think about that before you wear that short skirt & that much makeup out of the house.
Age is just a number - it doesn't mean anything
October 8, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45318
"This 22 year old is more mature than alot of women I have dated closer in age."
What is age? Just a number. Some people change their age. If a person acts and looks older that her age, there is a possibility that she's changed her age. I know people who have done it.
His behavior deviates from what is acceptable
October 7, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45310
43 yr old man seeing 22 year old woman
"I am not taking advantage of her. I am not a pedophile."
That is exactly what you are - a pedophile whose moral codes are corrupted.
Note: This person is a fool. 22 year old does not equal an 8 year old.
I am 43 yr old man seeing 22 year old woman.
October 7, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45290
So far so good. I made sure and talked about age difference with her. She is ok with it and has also stated she could not see herself with anyone else. Now Like any relationship anything can happen. Hell I would be leery more if I was dating one closer in age? Why? Most women are insecure to point of running mates off. This 22 year old is more mature than alot of women I have dated closer in age. I really didnt think our relationship would evolve but it has and I am taking it one day at time as of now.
Now I am not taking advantage of her. I am not a pedophile LOL. Nor do I feel as if it is anyone elses business. I do agree in time we both will know where this is headed. Two months in all seems ok but we shall see.
For you one's that are critical look in a mirror people might be judging you one day and you want like it. What is the old saying Those that cast the first stone. Anyway just get a life and allow others to be happy. Alot of you guys seem to not be happy and dont want others that way.
The truth about old men
October 6, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45265
"im preganant im 23 years old women ,,,and my husband is 74years old im afraid its my first baby, i dont know how to take care of this,,,,,im inlove to my husband even he is 74years old,,,he is great in lovemaking,,,,"
Do you shit in bed, old man? A lot of old men tend to do that. In the morning, you see a bit of shit on the bedsheet. Old men are like babies.
Busted
October 5, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45242
Everyone can tell by your comment that you are lying. You are a 74 year old middle-easterner looking for a teenage bride. Go get some counseling or better yet, kill yourself off now.
Guys I have an honest suggestion
October 4, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 45218
*sigh* guys, u shld know by now that women are bitchy and selfish most of the times.
Yes, they are, they will never change.
I am from a girl's school and I know how mean they can get. And thank god for guys or girls will start ripping each other's heads off. Around guys, girls are generally more kind and from somewhat of a pact/group to protect themselves.
Romance is a joke now... I really hope it can change though.
I will do my best. But guys and girls, I really think being single is still the best.
But I would like to be fair and explain why females' attitude is this way.
In a relationship, it must be mutual. However, more often than not, the males are out of the picture (responsibilities!). Mothers are not always there to clean after them, I think guys being men should know this already. And don't forget, a females' instinct is always on guard for their interests. Maybe that's why they are selfish and bitchy.
I seriously think that girls should start thinking like men and not be the classic, naive girl and grow up. Females can be so fussy and calculative. And men should start acting like men and not run away from reality, parents aren't always there to clean after u.
preggy
October 4, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 1 hour ago
Comment id: 45206
im preganant im 23 years old women ,,,and my husband is 74years old im afraid its my first baby, i dont know how to take care of this,,,,,im inlove to my husband even he is 74years old,,,he is great in lovemaking,,,,
To those that have mental birth defects due to poor upbringing..
October 3, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 13 hours ago
Comment id: 45195
I'm an attractive 26 year old female that has always had a great relationship with my parents. I'm well educated and my "peer group" ranges from 21 to 61 years of age. There are a few guys around my age that actually show the maturity that I seek in a relationship, but unfortunately they'd rather have the prissy girls that would lead them around by the nose, put them down, and spend all their money. It's not that the older men chase me, but for some reason, they are the only ones that act approachable for conversation. The boys are always looking for a quick piece of ass. I pursued my current boyfriend (51), not for money or status, but because I knew my life would be less without him in it. He fell for me, eventually.
In the end, it has nothing to do with "There's no contest" with older men, or younger... What there is "no contest" with is personal preference. Quit trying to control the rest of the population and just accept people's differences. It's not YOUR life, so what's it matter?
Younger Women
October 3, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45181
I'm a 44 year old male that finds women 40+ way more beautiful than women half my age. It seems that many of the younger women these days really try to get noticed when there is a successful, decent mannered, good looking 40+ man in their presence. That's fine by me...But I truly have no interest in you. Mostly because of your lack of life experience.. It's really evident by the lack of social skills. Most of the 40+ women that I know look great because they take good care of themselves. They are classy and know how to handle themselves in a social situation. They dress nicely and wear clothing that is age appropriate. They care so much about their appearance they don't cover their bodies in tattoos, get multiple facial/genital piercings or shave off all of their pubic hair and wear jeans that constantly display their ass crack... A hot looking mature woman doesn't need tattoos,multiple piercings and the thong and ass crack displayed to attract a real man that's her age. Sorry... when we do happen to look at a younger woman in her ridiculous costume, it's for a good laugh.... It doesn't mean that we "want you".... It's just really funny to see what a young woman will do to her appearance attract a young man.... Can't believe you actually invested your time and money to accomplish that look...And you think you look HOT!!! Keep telling yourself that as you get another tattoo or nipple piercing.. That just might be the ticket to your future young husband. He'll have a great career going at McDonalds........ You will be launching your lucrative career at Burger King across the street. When you find out he's cheating on you with the girl at work in charge of washing lettuce, it will be over and onto your next pierced,tattooed broke young man... Let's hope you didn't bring yet another bastard kid into the world.... You may just need something from a nasty, wrinkled, used up 44 year old man.... Most likely in the form of your share of Government assistance that that used up old man has been paying taxes into for years. Because most people won't hire a used up, tattooed,pierced 22 year old woman with three kids from three different dads..... Not saying it's right... It's just the way of the world.
eeew, gross!
October 2, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45171
...and anonymous commenters who can't spell are disgusting.
Do not judge the commenter for he opinions I agree with her
October 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45157
Old men over 30 are discusting
No morals
October 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45143
"I'm 22 years old female, nursing student, had sex with both male and female. Last week I had chance to have sex with 40 years old male, by far he is the best that I ever had."
This 40 year old man has committed adultery. The 22 year old female has no integrity and she knows it.
Take a look at your behavior!
October 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45141
Go and do your old wife, old man. How much attention do you give to your wife? Does she get any attention from you? Aren't men the ones committed to the marriage institution? Sex is allowed in a marriage, not outside a marriage.
Silly young women
September 30, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45133
"I am a 25 year old female and i have a 48 year old boyfriend. Just to let you know he outperforms my 28 year old ex husband in every way imaginable. Thats why he is my ex husband. And my boyfriend treats me like gold."
Your worn out 48 year old boyfriend is an old pervert and you have no integrity.
Note: Nothing perverted about being attracted to a 25 year old.
and you know this because you
September 30, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45124
and you know this because you have been with so many young and older men?
Dad dating younger women
September 29, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45106
My mom passed away recently . Within a few weeks after losing his wife of sixty-something years, my 87-yr old dad started dating 50-year old women.
I guess everybody handles their grief differently.
Your 3 ex husbands weren't
September 29, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45104
Your 3 ex husbands weren't jerks...YOU WERE THE JERK! They know it, you know it and we all know it! They were actually very wise to divorce you. Your response is a perfect example of why men should go for the younger, nicer and PRETTIER ladies...and stay as far away as possible from older, bitter women like you.
Ha shows how much you know...
September 29, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45103
I am a 25 year old female and i have a 48 year old boyfriend. Just to let you know he outperforms my 28 year old ex husband in every way imaginable. Thats why he is my ex husband. And my boyfriend treats me like gold.
I am one of those older
September 29, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45089
I am one of those older ladies you’re dissing, Aaron, and I sure don’t appreciate what you’re saying. If we’re bitter, it’s because guys like you have been treating us like doo doo all these years. I’m a three-timer divorcee and all of my husbands had one thing in common — they were jerks! You just can’t handle older babes, Aaron, that’s probably your situation. We’re smarter, wiser and packed with personality. Young women can’t stand up to the real thing, baby!
KITTY Kitty cat….YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS…………I’ll bet you look nothing like you did on your wediing day ,Rehab……………and guess what??? That’s why you were married three times ……and the last two were just losers luck………..If you took care of yourself you would have married a man that dedicated his all to you…..if this man passed away early I’m sorry ……..but you should have never remarried………I find that the older the women the more heartache thay share the more baggage they have and the more manipulating they try to do…..A GOOD MAN doesn’t want that and would stay single no matter how lonely not to be with someone like you J……………….but hey good luck …………J is currently deeply involved with a beautiful 37 year old and he’s 64 going on 37……………..:-)
Hardness
September 27, 2009 by Anonymous, 7 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 45050
there's no difference in my hardness and I'm 62, mine is at 1pm and as stiff as a rock
and can last for ages and I'm married to a 42 year old and have been for 24 years....
im 22 years old female,
September 27, 2009 by Anonymous, 8 weeks 1 hour ago
Comment id: 45029
im 22 years old female, nursing student, had sex with both male and female. Last week I had chance to have sex with 40 years old male, by far he is the best that I ever had (and I had sex with 33 people)
he is sweet, handsome, cares for me, he is successful and educated man, who I carry conversation with for hours, he pleasures me to point that I'm addicted it to him.
so why would i leave all of that JUST because he is older than me?
Men, generally, are very kind
September 26, 2009 by Anonymous, 8 weeks 2 hours ago
Comment id: 45028
Men, generally, are very kind and gentle people. Women are the ones that usually ruin them, whether through their selfishness, lack of love, abusiveness, cheating, etc. If a man is loved at home, they will not go anywhere, they will not hurt anyone. Older men have lived long enough to learn a woman's character faster, and not put up with a tit-for-tat relationship, and constant pickering. I have seen lot of my married friends constantly complain about their husbands not doing this or that for them or the kids, while these very women boss their mates around nonstop and they splurge on themselves selfishly. What amazes me is that the men put up with it, all in the name of love. But these are the younger men who lack dating experience and got stuck with the first women they dated.
Young women are against happiness for all humanity
September 25, 2009 by Anonymous, 8 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45004
Women can get away with calling certain humans "repulsive" for just looking the way they look. I am sure in 1000 or 2000 years, women will be disciplined and taught how selfish they are by indulging in such racist like behaviour. Older men contribute to younger womens' status by appreciating them, and younger women look at them as if they were slimy worms. This is worse than racism. I am sorry that you were born as a woman with such ugly thoughts. And I am glad to be born as a man.
Young women are very, very vicious and selfish
September 25, 2009 by Anonymous, 8 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45003
You said -
"I am 23 and I hate when old men stare at me they are so ugly with. Their balding heads. And they are fat especially when I'm running old foreign bald head mwn stare at me it makes me feel old because they stare at me more than guys my own age . Its gross because they have no fashion sense... They have ugly bodies and their wrinkly I. Like hot guys"
Young women like this commenter, can be very hateful and vile, like skinheads against colored people. It's being very, very selfish.
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