Old men chasing young women: A good thing
It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa Barbara.
Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans, according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is finished reproducing.
"Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a whole," Puleston said. "It's advantageous to the species if these people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of both sexes."
"Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan," was published Aug. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE. Shripad Tuljapurkar, the Morrison Professor of Population Studies at Stanford; Puleston; and Michael Gurven, an assistant professor of anthropology at UCSB, co-authored the study in an effort to understand why humans don't die when female reproduction ends.
Human ability to scale the so-called "wall of death"—surviving beyond the reproductive years—has been a center of scientific controversy for more than 50 years, Puleston said. "The central question is: Why should a species that stops reproducing by some age stick around afterward?" he said. "Evolutionary theory predicts that, over time, harmful mutations that decrease survival will arise in the population and will remain invisible to natural selection after reproduction ends." However, in hunter-gatherer societies, which likely represent early human demographic conditions and mating patterns, one-third of people live beyond 55 years, past the reproductive lifespan for women. Furthermore, life expectancy in today's industrialized countries is 75 to 85 years, with mortality increasing gradually, not abruptly, following female menopause.
Grandmother hypothesis
In 1966, William Hamilton, a British evolutionary biologist, worked out the mathematics describing the "wall of death." Since then, the most popular explanation for why humans don't die by age 55 has been termed the "grandmother hypothesis," which suggests that women enhance the survival of their children and grandchildren by living long enough to care for them and "increasing the success of their genes," Puleston said. However, Hamilton's work has been difficult to express as a mathematical and genetic argument explaining why people live into old age.
Unlike previous research on human reproduction, this study—for the first time—includes data on males, a tweak that allowed the researchers to begin answering the "wall of death" question by matching it to human mortality patterns. According to Puleston, earlier studies looked only at women, because scientists can reproduce good datasets for humans entirely based on information related to female fertility and survival rates.
"Men's fertility is contingent on women's fertility—you have to figure out how they match up. We care about reproduction because that is a currency by which force of selection is counted. If we have not accounted for the entire pattern of reproduction, we may be missing something that's important to evolution."
Men and longevity
In the paper, the researchers analyzed "a general two-sex model to show that selection favors survival for as long as men reproduce." The scientists presented a "range of data showing that males much older than 50 years have substantial realized fertility through matings with younger females, a pattern that was likely typical among early humans." As a result, Puleston said, older male fertility helps to select against damaging cell mutations in humans who have passed the age of female menopause, consequently eliminating the "wall of death."
"Our analysis shows that old-age male fertility allows evolution to breach Hamilton's wall of death and predicts a gradual rise in mortality after the age of female menopause without relying on 'grandmother' effects or economic optimality," the researchers say in the paper.
The scientists compiled longevity and fertility data from two hunter-gatherer groups, the Dobe !Kung of the Kalahari and the Ache of Paraguay, one of the most isolated populations in the world. They also looked at the forager-farmer Yanomamo of Brazil and Venezuela, and the Tsimane, an indigenous group in Bolivia. "They're living a lifestyle that our ancestors lived and their fertility patterns are probably most consistent with our ancestors," Puleston said about the four groups. The study also looked at several farming villages in Gambia and, for comparison, a group of modern Canadians.
In the less developed, traditional societies, males were as much as 5-to-15 years older than their female partners. In the United States and Europe, the age spread was about two years. "It's a universal pattern that in typical marriages men are older than women," Puleston said. "The age gaps vary by culture, but in every group we looked at men start [being reproductive] later. At the end of reproduction, male fertility rates taper off gradually, as opposed to the fairly sharp decline in female fertility by menopause." Despite small differences based on marriage traditions, all women and most men in the six groups stopped having children by their 50s, the researchers found. But some men, particularly high-status males, continued to reproduce into their 70s. The paper noted that the age gap is most pronounced in societies that favor polygyny, where a man takes several wives, and in gerontocracies, where older men monopolize access to reproductive women. The authors also cite genetic and anthropological evidence that early humans were probably polygynous as well.
Older male fertility also exists in societies supporting serial monogamy, because men are more likely to remarry than women. "For these reasons, we argue that realized male fertility was substantial at ages well past female menopause for much of human history and the result is reflected in the mortality patterns of modern populations," the authors say. "We conclude that deleterious mutations acting after the age of female menopause are selected against … solely as a result of the matings between older males and younger females."
According to Puleston, the "grandmother hypothesis" may be true, but the real pattern of male fertility extends beyond this explanation. "The key question is: Does the population have a greater growth rate if men are reproducing at a later age? The answer is 'yes.' The age of last reproduction gets pushed into the 60s and 70s if you add men to the analysis. Hamilton's approach was right, but in a species where males and females have different reproductive patterns, you need a two-sex model. You can't correctly estimate the force of selection if you leave men out of the picture. As a man myself, it's gratifying to know that men do matter."
Grants from the U.S. National Institute on Aging supported this study.
Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans, according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is finished reproducing.
"Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a whole," Puleston said. "It's advantageous to the species if these people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of both sexes."
"Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan," was published Aug. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE. Shripad Tuljapurkar, the Morrison Professor of Population Studies at Stanford; Puleston; and Michael Gurven, an assistant professor of anthropology at UCSB, co-authored the study in an effort to understand why humans don't die when female reproduction ends.
Human ability to scale the so-called "wall of death"—surviving beyond the reproductive years—has been a center of scientific controversy for more than 50 years, Puleston said. "The central question is: Why should a species that stops reproducing by some age stick around afterward?" he said. "Evolutionary theory predicts that, over time, harmful mutations that decrease survival will arise in the population and will remain invisible to natural selection after reproduction ends." However, in hunter-gatherer societies, which likely represent early human demographic conditions and mating patterns, one-third of people live beyond 55 years, past the reproductive lifespan for women. Furthermore, life expectancy in today's industrialized countries is 75 to 85 years, with mortality increasing gradually, not abruptly, following female menopause.
Grandmother hypothesis
In 1966, William Hamilton, a British evolutionary biologist, worked out the mathematics describing the "wall of death." Since then, the most popular explanation for why humans don't die by age 55 has been termed the "grandmother hypothesis," which suggests that women enhance the survival of their children and grandchildren by living long enough to care for them and "increasing the success of their genes," Puleston said. However, Hamilton's work has been difficult to express as a mathematical and genetic argument explaining why people live into old age.
Unlike previous research on human reproduction, this study—for the first time—includes data on males, a tweak that allowed the researchers to begin answering the "wall of death" question by matching it to human mortality patterns. According to Puleston, earlier studies looked only at women, because scientists can reproduce good datasets for humans entirely based on information related to female fertility and survival rates.
"Men's fertility is contingent on women's fertility—you have to figure out how they match up. We care about reproduction because that is a currency by which force of selection is counted. If we have not accounted for the entire pattern of reproduction, we may be missing something that's important to evolution."
Men and longevity
In the paper, the researchers analyzed "a general two-sex model to show that selection favors survival for as long as men reproduce." The scientists presented a "range of data showing that males much older than 50 years have substantial realized fertility through matings with younger females, a pattern that was likely typical among early humans." As a result, Puleston said, older male fertility helps to select against damaging cell mutations in humans who have passed the age of female menopause, consequently eliminating the "wall of death."
"Our analysis shows that old-age male fertility allows evolution to breach Hamilton's wall of death and predicts a gradual rise in mortality after the age of female menopause without relying on 'grandmother' effects or economic optimality," the researchers say in the paper.
The scientists compiled longevity and fertility data from two hunter-gatherer groups, the Dobe !Kung of the Kalahari and the Ache of Paraguay, one of the most isolated populations in the world. They also looked at the forager-farmer Yanomamo of Brazil and Venezuela, and the Tsimane, an indigenous group in Bolivia. "They're living a lifestyle that our ancestors lived and their fertility patterns are probably most consistent with our ancestors," Puleston said about the four groups. The study also looked at several farming villages in Gambia and, for comparison, a group of modern Canadians.
In the less developed, traditional societies, males were as much as 5-to-15 years older than their female partners. In the United States and Europe, the age spread was about two years. "It's a universal pattern that in typical marriages men are older than women," Puleston said. "The age gaps vary by culture, but in every group we looked at men start [being reproductive] later. At the end of reproduction, male fertility rates taper off gradually, as opposed to the fairly sharp decline in female fertility by menopause." Despite small differences based on marriage traditions, all women and most men in the six groups stopped having children by their 50s, the researchers found. But some men, particularly high-status males, continued to reproduce into their 70s. The paper noted that the age gap is most pronounced in societies that favor polygyny, where a man takes several wives, and in gerontocracies, where older men monopolize access to reproductive women. The authors also cite genetic and anthropological evidence that early humans were probably polygynous as well.
Older male fertility also exists in societies supporting serial monogamy, because men are more likely to remarry than women. "For these reasons, we argue that realized male fertility was substantial at ages well past female menopause for much of human history and the result is reflected in the mortality patterns of modern populations," the authors say. "We conclude that deleterious mutations acting after the age of female menopause are selected against … solely as a result of the matings between older males and younger females."
According to Puleston, the "grandmother hypothesis" may be true, but the real pattern of male fertility extends beyond this explanation. "The key question is: Does the population have a greater growth rate if men are reproducing at a later age? The answer is 'yes.' The age of last reproduction gets pushed into the 60s and 70s if you add men to the analysis. Hamilton's approach was right, but in a species where males and females have different reproductive patterns, you need a two-sex model. You can't correctly estimate the force of selection if you leave men out of the picture. As a man myself, it's gratifying to know that men do matter."
Grants from the U.S. National Institute on Aging supported this study.
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Player hate
November 5, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 day 19 hours ago
Comment id: 45994
Don't hate the player....hate the game
Dsating
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 days 20 hours ago
Comment id: 45902
I am a 75 year old man and the biggest thing in my life is dating. That is going out with
woman of all ages. The oldest woman I was with last year was 72 and the youngest was
19. Both were outstanding dates.
Marry me!
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 days 2 hours ago
Comment id: 45898
:)
You can't spell so you wouldn't be attractive to classy gals
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 days 2 hours ago
Comment id: 45897
Of course she is mature, but to you mature means she probably doesn't give your flack because she's not very bright and has low self-esteem.
You can't even spell, actually intelligence and grace in a man is attractive. Sorry that you don't rate, hon.
You seem insecure.
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 days 2 hours ago
Comment id: 45896
Take a look in the mirror, bud, I'm sure ANY 50ish woman is worth 100 of you.
Just a clue, 28 year old women grow up and gain something like self-respect and self-esteem. Yes, I know you aren't man enough to handle that, but so be it.
You seem jealous.........
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 days 2 hours ago
Comment id: 45895
You have no life, you are low-class, and seem VERY jealous.
Get a life, you seem so mean and spiteful. Look in the mirror, I'm sure YOU are NO prize, even at your age.
Grow up, toots.
?
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 6 days 2 hours ago
Comment id: 45894
Yeah, because every older guy is SUCH a prize.
i meant i agree with why beat
October 30, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 1 day ago
Comment id: 45873
i meant i agree with why beat her's comment
i agree
October 30, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 1 day ago
Comment id: 45872
i agree
Picture this!
October 27, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 3 days ago
Comment id: 45822
GRANNY IN THE BATH GRANNY IN THE BATH GRANNY IN THE BATH
Old men chasing young women: A good thing
October 27, 2009 by Dredd, 1 week 3 days ago
Comment id: 45821
So has it all come down to parts are parts, including the heart, or do I digress?
Reminds me of the time my uncle asked me if I enjoyed fishing. I said "no, but I don't mind catching".
EvolutionaryPsychologyisaloadofBS
October 27, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 4 days ago
Comment id: 45817
"Old men chasing young women: A good thing"
A good thing for everyone except the young women who have to put up with greasy old men chasing them
Has anyone considered
October 26, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 5 days ago
Comment id: 45800
Has anyone considered how old these men will be while that child is growing up? So sorry your dad/grandpa dies before you even graduate from high school. But all people can think about is getting some and don't give a s#@% about the child!
I completely agree "I find older men very
October 26, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 5 days ago
Comment id: 45792
I am 20 years old and I fell in love with a person sixteen years older than me. When I first met him I was 17 years old, but he grew on me. He's very different in the "worldly sense" he has no post secondary schooling, he works for his family, but the one thing that sets him aside is that he is the father figure I always wanted to have. He treats me like a princess. I never felt that way before and no matter how many times my mother and my father (who made a fuss out of a droplet of water and who has never been there for me) tell me, he has always been a supportive individual in my life. There are times where I feel as if the world has a dead end. I feel pressured by my family's expectations since I am an only child, and am the only person in my family going to college, but I still haven't forgotten my roots. He is from my family's country and I also feel more mature since my mother is in his mother's generation. I was born to a very antiquated family. I feel completely comfortable with him. He likes the same music I like, we enjoy the same recreational activities and he respects me for who I am. Now, it is difficult to tell your same peered friends that go to college that one is attracted to an older man because all they do is say "eww your nasty", but no matter what even if you are in this situation all your looking for is comprehension. They are committed, and talk to you any time. Aside from the fact that he is very distant from me, I can call him in the wee hours and he still listens to what I have to say. That is the kind of counseling I missed from my own father and unfortunately I have found it in him, and my father cries about it.
I
Hey 50 yr old pervert!
October 26, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 5 days ago
Comment id: 45787
Did you forget to pull down your 50 yr old wife's knickers and taste her p**sy?
i just lost my fiance to a 50 year old married man
October 25, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 6 days ago
Comment id: 45768
my 24 year old ex fiance (was to get married 12/12/09) told me about 8 weeks ago she had feelings for a person she works with. she has been very distant from me and has been going to see a counsellor. i found out that this bloke was 50 years old and is married with kids. i have given her space these last 2 weeks to let her decide what she wants and needs, she still doesn't have an answer. the more space i gave her, the worse it was for me. only 3 days ago we finally broke up and the day after we broke up, she slept with him (probably a few times judging by her cum stained panties) i feel sick.
Dear Ms. Creepy
October 24, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 3 hours ago
Comment id: 45745
Why don't you stop accepting gifts from these guys and start being honest with them and tell them you are not interested. If all you do is smile and take what they give, how are they supposed to think anything different if you cannot be truthfull with them.
Know Your Audience
October 22, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45683
Good topic and good... the THINg is the only people interested in reading this/coming across this discussion which claims its"straight from the source" are the "white male landowning" class.
Its sucks to admit overtime we compare ourselves to other lifestyles, its always to a higher class, a higher authority, something to bring our hopes up. What about a laborer. The society is already so diverse overpopulated and extremely unorganized! Everyone works. There is no comparison high class to low class. Never. How about our City Slums. Sitting on the porch waiting for that welfare check to show up just drinking and smoking it away.
You think they will be on their computers thinking about the World, our society, our lifetime. Gang-bangers and terrified women is it. Not ready to have a baby? Who ever is!?!?
God forbid you fuck your own life up. Women should be sterilized, creating an ultimate anti-babyboom. Start over. For once again
I thought about it for a long time, before I even committed. It’s like one of those things that just never makes sense. I’m not telling… you’ll just have to stick around to the end.
Sometimes it can be creepy...
October 21, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45646
I have 3 older men after me...they are between 50 and 65. I am 26. They are my customers at the cafe I work at.
They always non stop talk to me. Annoying when Im trying to work.
One of them bought me perfume and an ipod for xmas. He told me he was looking for something more than a friendship and wanted to take me to Paris first class all expenses paid. I passed. I couldnt do it. Even though he has lots of money (they all do) I couldnt be with him because of the money. Even though he was really nice. I didnt have any feelings for him so i couldnt do it for the money. He is still married too and whenever I ask him about his wife he doesnt want to talk about it. I think they live seperate lives.
The other 2 are just the same.
Im never rude to any of them but sometimes I can feel uncomfortable around them.
43 yr old man and 22 yr old
October 21, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45638
43 yr old man and 22 yr old woman isn't even worth noticing.
Now, try 60+ man and 21 year old woman - a customer (60+) at a coffee shop I worked at was telling a story and at one point he said, "my friend who is retired in his 60s just married a 21 year old girl" and I burst out laughing (I was 32 at the time) and he looked at me crossly and asked what's so funny? I just walked away shaking my head and thinking, that old guy better have no heart problems!
And this is in response to the girl who was saying "old bitch" and that we are all jealous -- I'm 47 now (two months older than my husband) and, like Monica Belluci and Sophie Marceau (well, not quite, but I'm still somewhat hot), have more than enough guys of all ages leering at me, so I know age isn't the only factor in how attractive you are, to men at least. What I HAVE noticed in the past 8 or so years is that many (not all) younger women (30 and under) have this really fucked-up attitude about older women, and here's the proof that it IS in their head, not mine: when I was hired for this job, they main "clique" of women thought I was their ages (roughly 24 - 30). I was actually 37 but have always looked way younger. After a few months here, during which time I was treated fine and had a normal social situation, the subject came up and I naively told them my age; I thought they would actually think it was a GOOD thing that you could stay attractive and youthful even going into your 40s, and instead they all dropped me. They literally walked by my office and looked at me but said nothing when they got together to go for coffee. I was stunned and have since heard from other women in late 30s and 40s that many younger women are like fanatical about keeping anyone whose birth certificate says born before 1975 OUT. It's very cruel -- when I was in my 20s and worked somewhere, if all the women went out dancing and clubbing together, that meant ALL the women - from 18 yr olds to 50. (The women older than 50 were invited too but probably thought we were all wacko!) I have rarely if ever felt excluded by men, it's always women who did it -- where is the hostility coming from? I've never done anything malicious to a younger woman so why are they so ready to attack and yell cougar or old bitch or whatever else -- (I guess MILF is supposed to be a compliment not insult)? And some of these women are quite attractive so I don't see what their issue is, I'm not threatening to take anything away from them, if anything the media is always pushing how younger women are after our (middle age women) husbands. I just don't like being judged and excluded because of a number on a birth certificate -- and that's the whole issue here: you can't judge someone solely by the year on their birth certificate.
Zitarrosa
October 20, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45632
Here in Brazil, about 40% of marriages, envolve a woman, and a more than 5 year older man. It's a substancial number.
It's a totally natural thing. Men are capable to reproduce themselves until die, women, until 40. Instinctively, men start to feel attracted to younger and fertile women.
Being attracted to a 22 year old girl, ISN'T pedophilie! Pedophilie is applied to C-H-I-L-D-R-E-N, girls without secondary sex characteristic developed. Men of all ages, in this world, are attracted to 22 year old girls. So do I (I'm 25, right now, but I'll certainly feel the same, 25 years from now).
my experience
October 19, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45604
well i have to say that these situations happen, yet seldomly. But, i had a short relationship with a 17 year old french girl when i was 26. It lasted 2 weeks, cause she had to return to france but, tjis girl was so mature and wise that everything fitted almost perfectly. Well she loved another back in france. But it was fun while it lasted.
Disgusting!
October 15, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45502
"A former school principal has told a judge he thought he was in love with a 16-year-old student he had sex with at his home on five occasions. Frank Bailey, 44, the ex-principal of a Christian school at Grafton in northern NSW, has pleaded guilty to five counts of sexual intercourse with a 16-year-old under his care over four days in 2007."
Now, that's a pedophile!
Married men are not allowed to look
October 15, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45482
My husband is 49 years old and he is too scared to look at 22 year old women. He knows I'll get jealous.
Anonymous Comments
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45461
This young lady apparently has some difficult problems, along with misunderstandings about life.
Yep...
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45455
Yep, probably some old fat hag who is jealous. A lady who is 22 is an adult lady, and obviously more mature than the lady who posted her comment about this man being a pedaphile.
Pick a number
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45453
I don't know how I came across this internet site but the minute I opened it I noticed all the numbers. 39 and 57, 29 and 53 and so on
Age ain't nothing but a number and that number can be changed. It's not the number that is attached to you that matters in life but what you do everyday. I was once married to a man who claimed to be 7 years older than me. Ten years later I discovered that he was in fact 16 years older than me. I should have known because he definitely was not merging into adulthood when my mom set me up with him. He looked and acted older and I was still a kid.
why beat her
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45437
why beat her because you cant describe her as the gold digger you want to? tat may mean she cares about him as a person. in 10 more years when you are decrepit and alone you will rethink the above comments. you could date someone a little older once you grow up that is. 35 aint young, so id shut it down and shut it up before all there is left for me to do is run my mouth. im from the usa. whatever idiot who came up with this daddy issue thing needs to dig up there dad and have a conversation with him. a persons dad is not their reason for living. if a young woman dates an old man she wants a dad. if a boy beats a woman, he did not have a dad. if a girl becomes a whore she needs a dad. if you sad and depressed your dad must not have been there. give me a break!!!!!!
the new women cant change what the old did
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45436
the new women cant change what the old did. i am young, and excepting a man with a mistress does not equal fidelity. feeling that you have to look the other way is demeaning. if thta is whta you want to do; i say stay your ass over there. im young, im fine, and i have no desire to ever marry, so the joke is hardly on me. And if women became lesbians the joke would be on you. im not a lesbian, but just as some would say that they dont want to live here because they cant keep a man, who wants to live there were you need a man to survive. there is good and bad in everything, but settling is never the answer. im young and my boyfriend is older but i am there because i like him, nothing else. Your a human which makes you nothing special; there are millions like you and there are women too, a man is not a necessity, especially not any man in particular. so pull your head at your ass. and i mean that with ll respect and love. My main point for writing was to say you can hardly say they demand fidelity but look the other way when their man cheats, and to also say you cant change the past you can only carve out a life for you.
dont give up
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45435
i dont know if you have ever been married and it is beside the point anyway. dont give up on finding a good man. maybe it is the stressing that is causing everything to show in your face. And at 22 you have worries, but i guess they are just not the same worries. 33 isnt so far from 25, just keep being the amazing women you are. relax!
Fatherfigure?
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45434
yes there is something wrong with it if u are sleeping with him!
no offense to you at all, but i wish you people would quit thinking that every old guy is rich. that is so not the case.
you sadistic piece of trash
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45433
just because a younger woman dates an old man or vice versa it does not make them needy or perverted. Just because you have tattoos does not mean that you are trash. you are a horrible, small minded, simple, imbecile. Tattoos dont make you work at McDonald's, and please please don't act like your dumb a** has never cheated or known a friend to do so. That is why your old BI*** A## is probably divorced; people whore because that is who they are, tattoos and showing a## crack is not the definition of the loser. It is call trend, and that is not the reason for many people who get them; I know your old behind had plenty of tacky trends in 1842 when you were little. Am i attacking you, hell yes because you really pissed me off! i am young, not a tattoo or piercing in or out of sight. I'm college educated in my early twenties and dating a man in his late 40's. My favorite type of clothing is tight dresses and short skirts, and yes i love my high heels baby. dont be so quick to judge; im sure you don't care what im saying, but say you were a sensitive person having someone talk down to you could be very painful true you have the right to state your opinion, but i think you should shove your opinion up your self-centered, conceited, ass! Your perhaps right about it being the way of the world, but how dare you attack a child; how dare you say bastard when referring to a child. that is like when people use to say yo momma to attack people. the child has nothing to do with it, so watch your mouth! As for you not thinking 20 year old are hot; quit lying because there aint a soul out their buying it. You may not want to date them for whatever reason, but you know damn well you have seen a beautiful 20 year old female. don't act simple, that and a petty ass liar are the two type of people i cant stand! date your 40 old women, i don't give a damn, but your ass isn't even on topic. This is about young woman old man relationships, not your prejudices against the young generation. minus your first few statements your commentary was unnecessary, check your blog you stupid ass; you are on the wrong one. i hope you read this, but i fer you wont because this is probably an old blog. talk what you know; i bet you wouldn't step to a 20 year old and say half the shit you just stated above.
39 year old in love with a 57 year old
October 12, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45427
We're extremely happy together and very, very in love. He's the most beautiful man I've ever held in my arms. The satisfaction level is off the scale and I kiss the ground he walks on. The ratio of love to consideration is balanced and mature. There is no self -aggrandizement and he's never acted in a way to manipulate any power or influence over me, nor ever attempted to selfishly draw attention to his own importance like the younger boyfriends I've had. He's strong and healthy, compassioned and brilliant. I will always love David, and will stay in love with him for eternity.
We're all sick of old men's sh*t
October 12, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45426
....... stay with your wife and stop procrastinating!
Old men are full of .......
October 12, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45424
If age is just a number, then stay with your old wife, old man
Step away from the computer......
October 11, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 45392
You know the saying "people like to hear themselves talk"?......Well, apparently people like to see their posts too! I've read all the comments and have noticed a couple things; many posts are the same one posted over and over or there are several posts and they are obviously written by the same person.
Oh, and I love how most of the posters writing "age is just a number" are trying to justify their attraction and/or relationship to much younger people.
I AM SO F...KIN' TIRED.
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 45386
I AM SO F...KIN' TIRED. PEOPLE WHO DON'T VALUE THEIR SLEEP DON'T VALUE OTHER PEOPLE'S SLEEP
"I find older men very
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 45383
"I find older men very interesting on a physical, mental, emotional & sexual level."
You're right! Older men are wonderful in bed. They have a lot of experience from their previous marriage. They already have kids, so they know how to be a father to you (if that's what you're looking for?) and to your future children. There is nothing wrong with a woman wanting a father figure.
Older men are also easy to talk to. They never ignore you, they give you a lot of attention. In fact, they go out of their way to do things for you because they care so much about you. They will put you in a mansion, and provide for you because they want to show you how strong their commitments are to you, now and forever.
to young woman
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 1 hour ago
Comment id: 45373
what u said moved smthg inside me.
im a young woman too
Nosy old people
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 12 hours ago
Comment id: 45364
Has anyone ever noticed how nosy old people can be? Especially older/old women, they're the worst. They're nosy because they don't have a life. They hang around environment (young people environment) they don't belong in. And it's so obvious that they are there to snoop on young women because they look so out of place.
They should be out playing bingo instead.
Perfect match
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 12 hours ago
Comment id: 45363
Worn out men belong with worn out women.
Their wives are bored with them
October 10, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 12 hours ago
Comment id: 45362
Older men don't get a lot of attention from their older wives. Hee hee hee
Mother-in-law who doesn't have a life
October 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 16 hours ago
Comment id: 45359
I hate my mother-in-law. She's f*cked up. She claims she is 55 but she looks like 65. I found out later that she changed her age when she was young. Her real age is 65. She is retired and has a lot of time on her hands to mind her daughter-in-law's business. She is an old used- slut. She couldn't get her shit together when she was young. And now that she's old, she still can't get her shit together. She only knows what 'not to do'.
Well now you can see why
October 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45348
Well now you can see why older women aren't exactly enthralled by older men either!
They probably stare at you because you dress and act up to be stared at; hell for you would probably be if they all ignored you as it would mean you couldn't brag about being so hot that bald ugly guys stare at you!
You may want to resit that
October 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45347
You may want to resit that grammar class - disgusting
Older men's sexual lives
October 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45340
When was the last time you kissed your older wife?
An older man who is committed to the marriage institution should go down on his older wife. If he doesn't, that means he does not love her.
He's just keeping her there as a maid to cook his food, wash and iron his clothes, etc.... But as far as love is concerned, he does not love her. As as soon as he finds a younger woman, he will dump her (his older wife).
BEWARE!
The crap on this internet site does not match reality out there
October 8, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45330
In reality, if a worn out old pervert approaches a young woman, he will get a slap in the face.
OLDER MEN BLIND THEMSELVES TO REALITY
October 8, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45329
"the ones you don't want looking at you approach you."
Yeah, the ones with no moral sense tend to approach you. The ones who are old enough to be your father. It just shows that their perception of reality is distorted.
I THINK OLDER MEN SHOULD REALLY GET OVER THEIR BIGOTRY ABOUT OLDER WOMEN. They should approach older women instead, or give their older wives the attention they need. Just because their wives are older, doesn't mean they don't have feelings.
When MEN say that they're the ones COMMITTED to the marriage institution, what do they mean by that'? What do they mean by 'commitment'?
I believe part of that commitment is to enjoy the sight of your older wife and make love to her instead of watching porno on the computer.
Older Man, Younger Women
October 8, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45327
I've been lucky. I've been able to pursue both younger and older women and can say that one is lucky to find happiness with anyone. You can be with a lot of people but that doesn't guarantee happiness. I've had a girlfriend who was only 20 and she was far more mature and calm and classy than the 50 year old Yale grad who had a stick up her ass. I've had a girlfriend close to my age and while she was a fun person her priorities were all out of whack. You never can tell what you'll end up with. So I decided a long time ago to give all attractions a chance. One of them may work out for the long-haul. Age really doesn't matter.
What do you expect?
October 8, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45323
I'm not young, but I'm not yet old & I find older men very interesting on a physical, mental, emotional & sexual level. They do treat me differently than men my own age, but that may be because I WANT them to notice me - I may be missing some men my age looking my way, but I'm fine with living with my blinders on.
To the young women who get offended when "ugly" old men look at them, please remember a piece of advice my father gave me when I was in high school:
Remember that when you dress to be noticed by a certain guy, ALL guys are certain to notice you. You have to prepare yourself for the ones you want to notice you to not say a thing and the ones you don't want looking at you to approach you. Think about that before you wear that short skirt & that much makeup out of the house.
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