Old men chasing young women: A good thing
It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa Barbara.
Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans, according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is finished reproducing.
"Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a whole," Puleston said. "It's advantageous to the species if these people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of both sexes."
"Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan," was published Aug. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE. Shripad Tuljapurkar, the Morrison Professor of Population Studies at Stanford; Puleston; and Michael Gurven, an assistant professor of anthropology at UCSB, co-authored the study in an effort to understand why humans don't die when female reproduction ends.
Human ability to scale the so-called "wall of death"—surviving beyond the reproductive years—has been a center of scientific controversy for more than 50 years, Puleston said. "The central question is: Why should a species that stops reproducing by some age stick around afterward?" he said. "Evolutionary theory predicts that, over time, harmful mutations that decrease survival will arise in the population and will remain invisible to natural selection after reproduction ends." However, in hunter-gatherer societies, which likely represent early human demographic conditions and mating patterns, one-third of people live beyond 55 years, past the reproductive lifespan for women. Furthermore, life expectancy in today's industrialized countries is 75 to 85 years, with mortality increasing gradually, not abruptly, following female menopause.
Grandmother hypothesis
In 1966, William Hamilton, a British evolutionary biologist, worked out the mathematics describing the "wall of death." Since then, the most popular explanation for why humans don't die by age 55 has been termed the "grandmother hypothesis," which suggests that women enhance the survival of their children and grandchildren by living long enough to care for them and "increasing the success of their genes," Puleston said. However, Hamilton's work has been difficult to express as a mathematical and genetic argument explaining why people live into old age.
Unlike previous research on human reproduction, this study—for the first time—includes data on males, a tweak that allowed the researchers to begin answering the "wall of death" question by matching it to human mortality patterns. According to Puleston, earlier studies looked only at women, because scientists can reproduce good datasets for humans entirely based on information related to female fertility and survival rates.
"Men's fertility is contingent on women's fertility—you have to figure out how they match up. We care about reproduction because that is a currency by which force of selection is counted. If we have not accounted for the entire pattern of reproduction, we may be missing something that's important to evolution."
Men and longevity
In the paper, the researchers analyzed "a general two-sex model to show that selection favors survival for as long as men reproduce." The scientists presented a "range of data showing that males much older than 50 years have substantial realized fertility through matings with younger females, a pattern that was likely typical among early humans." As a result, Puleston said, older male fertility helps to select against damaging cell mutations in humans who have passed the age of female menopause, consequently eliminating the "wall of death."
"Our analysis shows that old-age male fertility allows evolution to breach Hamilton's wall of death and predicts a gradual rise in mortality after the age of female menopause without relying on 'grandmother' effects or economic optimality," the researchers say in the paper.
The scientists compiled longevity and fertility data from two hunter-gatherer groups, the Dobe !Kung of the Kalahari and the Ache of Paraguay, one of the most isolated populations in the world. They also looked at the forager-farmer Yanomamo of Brazil and Venezuela, and the Tsimane, an indigenous group in Bolivia. "They're living a lifestyle that our ancestors lived and their fertility patterns are probably most consistent with our ancestors," Puleston said about the four groups. The study also looked at several farming villages in Gambia and, for comparison, a group of modern Canadians.
In the less developed, traditional societies, males were as much as 5-to-15 years older than their female partners. In the United States and Europe, the age spread was about two years. "It's a universal pattern that in typical marriages men are older than women," Puleston said. "The age gaps vary by culture, but in every group we looked at men start [being reproductive] later. At the end of reproduction, male fertility rates taper off gradually, as opposed to the fairly sharp decline in female fertility by menopause." Despite small differences based on marriage traditions, all women and most men in the six groups stopped having children by their 50s, the researchers found. But some men, particularly high-status males, continued to reproduce into their 70s. The paper noted that the age gap is most pronounced in societies that favor polygyny, where a man takes several wives, and in gerontocracies, where older men monopolize access to reproductive women. The authors also cite genetic and anthropological evidence that early humans were probably polygynous as well.
Older male fertility also exists in societies supporting serial monogamy, because men are more likely to remarry than women. "For these reasons, we argue that realized male fertility was substantial at ages well past female menopause for much of human history and the result is reflected in the mortality patterns of modern populations," the authors say. "We conclude that deleterious mutations acting after the age of female menopause are selected against … solely as a result of the matings between older males and younger females."
According to Puleston, the "grandmother hypothesis" may be true, but the real pattern of male fertility extends beyond this explanation. "The key question is: Does the population have a greater growth rate if men are reproducing at a later age? The answer is 'yes.' The age of last reproduction gets pushed into the 60s and 70s if you add men to the analysis. Hamilton's approach was right, but in a species where males and females have different reproductive patterns, you need a two-sex model. You can't correctly estimate the force of selection if you leave men out of the picture. As a man myself, it's gratifying to know that men do matter."
Grants from the U.S. National Institute on Aging supported this study.
Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans, according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is finished reproducing.
"Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a whole," Puleston said. "It's advantageous to the species if these people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of both sexes."
"Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan," was published Aug. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE. Shripad Tuljapurkar, the Morrison Professor of Population Studies at Stanford; Puleston; and Michael Gurven, an assistant professor of anthropology at UCSB, co-authored the study in an effort to understand why humans don't die when female reproduction ends.
Human ability to scale the so-called "wall of death"—surviving beyond the reproductive years—has been a center of scientific controversy for more than 50 years, Puleston said. "The central question is: Why should a species that stops reproducing by some age stick around afterward?" he said. "Evolutionary theory predicts that, over time, harmful mutations that decrease survival will arise in the population and will remain invisible to natural selection after reproduction ends." However, in hunter-gatherer societies, which likely represent early human demographic conditions and mating patterns, one-third of people live beyond 55 years, past the reproductive lifespan for women. Furthermore, life expectancy in today's industrialized countries is 75 to 85 years, with mortality increasing gradually, not abruptly, following female menopause.
Grandmother hypothesis
In 1966, William Hamilton, a British evolutionary biologist, worked out the mathematics describing the "wall of death." Since then, the most popular explanation for why humans don't die by age 55 has been termed the "grandmother hypothesis," which suggests that women enhance the survival of their children and grandchildren by living long enough to care for them and "increasing the success of their genes," Puleston said. However, Hamilton's work has been difficult to express as a mathematical and genetic argument explaining why people live into old age.
Unlike previous research on human reproduction, this study—for the first time—includes data on males, a tweak that allowed the researchers to begin answering the "wall of death" question by matching it to human mortality patterns. According to Puleston, earlier studies looked only at women, because scientists can reproduce good datasets for humans entirely based on information related to female fertility and survival rates.
"Men's fertility is contingent on women's fertility—you have to figure out how they match up. We care about reproduction because that is a currency by which force of selection is counted. If we have not accounted for the entire pattern of reproduction, we may be missing something that's important to evolution."
Men and longevity
In the paper, the researchers analyzed "a general two-sex model to show that selection favors survival for as long as men reproduce." The scientists presented a "range of data showing that males much older than 50 years have substantial realized fertility through matings with younger females, a pattern that was likely typical among early humans." As a result, Puleston said, older male fertility helps to select against damaging cell mutations in humans who have passed the age of female menopause, consequently eliminating the "wall of death."
"Our analysis shows that old-age male fertility allows evolution to breach Hamilton's wall of death and predicts a gradual rise in mortality after the age of female menopause without relying on 'grandmother' effects or economic optimality," the researchers say in the paper.
The scientists compiled longevity and fertility data from two hunter-gatherer groups, the Dobe !Kung of the Kalahari and the Ache of Paraguay, one of the most isolated populations in the world. They also looked at the forager-farmer Yanomamo of Brazil and Venezuela, and the Tsimane, an indigenous group in Bolivia. "They're living a lifestyle that our ancestors lived and their fertility patterns are probably most consistent with our ancestors," Puleston said about the four groups. The study also looked at several farming villages in Gambia and, for comparison, a group of modern Canadians.
In the less developed, traditional societies, males were as much as 5-to-15 years older than their female partners. In the United States and Europe, the age spread was about two years. "It's a universal pattern that in typical marriages men are older than women," Puleston said. "The age gaps vary by culture, but in every group we looked at men start [being reproductive] later. At the end of reproduction, male fertility rates taper off gradually, as opposed to the fairly sharp decline in female fertility by menopause." Despite small differences based on marriage traditions, all women and most men in the six groups stopped having children by their 50s, the researchers found. But some men, particularly high-status males, continued to reproduce into their 70s. The paper noted that the age gap is most pronounced in societies that favor polygyny, where a man takes several wives, and in gerontocracies, where older men monopolize access to reproductive women. The authors also cite genetic and anthropological evidence that early humans were probably polygynous as well.
Older male fertility also exists in societies supporting serial monogamy, because men are more likely to remarry than women. "For these reasons, we argue that realized male fertility was substantial at ages well past female menopause for much of human history and the result is reflected in the mortality patterns of modern populations," the authors say. "We conclude that deleterious mutations acting after the age of female menopause are selected against … solely as a result of the matings between older males and younger females."
According to Puleston, the "grandmother hypothesis" may be true, but the real pattern of male fertility extends beyond this explanation. "The key question is: Does the population have a greater growth rate if men are reproducing at a later age? The answer is 'yes.' The age of last reproduction gets pushed into the 60s and 70s if you add men to the analysis. Hamilton's approach was right, but in a species where males and females have different reproductive patterns, you need a two-sex model. You can't correctly estimate the force of selection if you leave men out of the picture. As a man myself, it's gratifying to know that men do matter."
Grants from the U.S. National Institute on Aging supported this study.
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MISSING THE POINT!
November 20, 2009 by Anonymous, 10 hours 17 sec ago
Comment id: 46388
I AM 19 YEARS OLD, GOING TO COLLEGE TO SOMEDAY BECOME AN ETHOLOGIST AND A WRITER. I AM CURRENTLY DATING A MAN THAT IS 41 YEARS OLD. I STARTED READING THIS ARTICLE BECAUSE I GOOGLED "MEN IN THERE 40'S HAVING CHILDREN". I HAVE FALLEN INLOVE WITH MY CURRENT BOYFRIEND AND HOPE TO SOMEDAY MARRY HIM AND HAVE HIS CHILDREN. AGE IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR US IN OUR RELATIONSHIP, HOWEVER, I PERSONALY RECEIVE A LOT OF CRITISISIM FROM MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THIS IS THE HARDEST RELATIONSHIP I HAVE EVER BEEN IN BECAUSE OF THE AGE DIFFERENCE. THE POINT IS THAT WE ARE IN LOVE, I AM NOT IN LOVE WITH A 41 YEAR OLD BUT I AM IN LOVE WITH MY BOYFRIEND, WHO IS MY WHOLE WORLD, NO MATTER HIS AGE! WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HIM BEING 60 BY THE TIME OUR KIDS GRADUATE BUT THAT DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL, WHAT MATTERS IS THAT THEY WILL HAVE AN AMAZING FATHER THAT LOVES THEM AND HAS GIVEN THEM THE GUIDINCE THAT THEY NEED TO SUCKSEED IN THERE LIVES! AND THAT IS ALL I WANT FOR A HUSBAND AND FROM THE FATHER OF MY FUTUR KIDS
0lder men -- younger women
November 19, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 day 13 hours ago
Comment id: 46345
I am a 57 year old woman ( quite beautiful actually...not an old fat hag LOL) and Have all ages of men appreciate me , but I must comment on this article. Reproducing with older men (over 50 actually) has been shown to increase birth defects, autism, schizophrenia and many other maladies in the offspring of these so called " horny old men" so it is not without its drawbacks.
Yes, these men can impregnate their much younger females.....but at what cost to society,its certainly worth thinking about!
myth of male fertility
November 19, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 day 21 hours ago
Comment id: 46337
Most men do not remain fertile until they die. Male fertility (sperm count) declines gradually after age 40. Guys, if you want children, try to do it before age 45. After that age there is an increased risk of passing on birth defects due to increases in abnormal sperm. A 22 year old's healthy eggs won't completely counteract the risks. Males also have biological clocks. Elderly fathers are an exception rather than the rule.
i'm 54 look mid 30's
November 18, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 days 19 hours ago
Comment id: 46299
i'm 54 and easily pass for mid ,late 30's..girls in their 20's and younger are attracted to me and i've always listened to the current music(rock) and never focused on my high school years.as opposed to most people my age who listen to 70's and 60's music// i listen mostly to the current stuff like the killers,green day,etc..
i still go to the theme parks and love to ride the rides.all my interests and hobbies are the same as when i was in my 20's .i don't have any physical pains or problems and i do the gym daily..what's happened to people my own age??? it's horrible..i look and feel the same as i did in my 20's and 30's./the few friends i have that are my age have no interest in going to the fair and six flags,disney world etc and claim they can't ride the rides anymore due to physical problems of one kind or another.good grief!!
they're interests have become crossword puzzles and playing cards on friday nights and the bible classes once a week and they have built a shrine to and seem to worship the 70's..when it comes to movies and music ,they're ignorant of anything even near recent.
i could understand it if they were in their 70's and 80's..but mid 50's???
none
November 17, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 days 11 hours ago
Comment id: 46280
Congratulations! My girlfriend just turned 21 and I just turned 39, we have been dating for one year now.
out of curiousity
November 17, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 days 11 hours ago
Comment id: 46279
would you consider my boyfriend a predator, he is 19. and I'm 16. we have known each other ever, since I was 14 and he was 17.
older men like......
November 17, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 days 11 hours ago
Comment id: 46278
older men like checking my mom and I, out. like senior citizens. no offense, senior citizens are cute and all. but, I don't know if I will ever marry one some day. sorry to all the senior citizens out there.
signed, a mature
16 year old girl.
All can be called pedos
November 17, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 days 15 hours ago
Comment id: 46273
It's like a man of 25 going out with a baby... fucking sick in the head!
Most of the younger women they are with are either on drugs or are the local whore anyway.
Shame the old men can't stick with there wives or maybe the wives got fed up with thier pedo like behaviour.
old men chasing young women
November 16, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 days 7 hours ago
Comment id: 46263
im 64 and my girlfriend is 37, I keep myself clean and free of nose hair, haha, dress tidily so what is wrong with it? Everyone has a choice who they go with. By the way she is 3 months pregnant and yes it is mine!!
You are wrong
November 16, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 days 8 hours ago
Comment id: 46262
You can be with any one you want.What every happen too mind your own business
young ones
November 15, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 days 6 hours ago
Comment id: 46240
Younger women love to be "taught lessons" by older men.
Ever heard of the naturalistic fallacy?
November 15, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 days 7 hours ago
Comment id: 46236
Just because something might be natural or have an evolutionary explanation doesn't make it "good" or "right." Also, maybe you should read a little more about the grandmother hypothesis.
"However, Hamilton's work has been difficult to express as a mathematical and genetic argument explaining why people live into old age."
I'm sorry, what? Please explain this rather than glossing over this hypothesis, which actually makes a lot of sense given the slow rate of human development.
Anyway, no matter which is true, it is extremely fallacious to claim "old men chasing young women" is "a good thing."
Man doesn't know what to do...
November 15, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 days 11 hours ago
Comment id: 46232
I would give you the following advice:
If you are aware enough to see that you may be sabotaging your ability to have real connections with women because of your upbringing or your "mental horny-ness" you might just try thinking about what you have to offer women and what you want that they have to offer along with the companionship and sex. If you really concentrate on those things, and become mindful about what it is you actually want, I think you will find your answers. At first glance, because you live in a studio, it seems like there is no room for anyone else. You seem to be quite self sufficient in your efficiency apartment and perhaps you really have no room in your life for another individual. If all that you want is someone to share your bed once in a while, I am afraid that you are making the mistake of assuming that there is a lack of this opportunity in this area and that women are as interested in that as men are. Most moderately attractive and intelligent women of all ages have standing offers for this from all of the single un-attached men they know. Believe me, if they don't then they probably have some sort of habit or demand that men find unattractive.
I have to tell you that I find that men that live alone for too long become rather odd after awhile. Not to be cruel, but are you an aware person and a clean man? Do you floss, use deodorant etc. I can't believe how many men wander around thinking, "Why can't I get a date??" all the while they smell funky and have dirty teeth and soiled clothes. These men just send out the "I'm an idiot. " vibe.
I'm 67 and like to have daily
November 15, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 days 12 hours ago
Comment id: 46231
I'm 67 and like to have daily love with my wife 59.
jelous
November 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 7 hours ago
Comment id: 46184
like your article, im 47 , i like younger women , late 20-30s most women judge me
cause i am honest, older woemn, get on me, younger women wonder,
why, older women are more confindent in Bed, they are not affraid of what to do
who to do it, younger women freak out and are super needy some of the time.
older women , just know how to please a man. ya yonuger women come with drama
older women with scared hearts and some past issues. but the bottom line is this
your the woman, their the little girls. nice thoughts , peace
good on you
November 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 7 hours ago
Comment id: 46183
read your words, of Love and respect for this man in your life , im 47 i like women in late 20s up 34
there is nothing wrong with your choice of man in your life, you mind soul and body, and bless you for having the guts as a WOMAN to run with you heart and make a differance in your life, :-)
Typo
November 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 11 hours ago
Comment id: 46180
Whoops, I meant to type "have a" instead of "havea". Argh!
Older and younger women
November 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 11 hours ago
Comment id: 46179
Anonymous (female) from Oct. 21, 2009:
You know, that's funny, because I am the same age as your co-workers, but I don't enjoy hanging out with agemates because they are still shallow. But when I try to talk to women in their mid 30's and older, they are dismissive at best and scornful at worst. They're very smug because they seem to think that since I'm young, I'm either trying to upstage them or that I am a silly little goat with no interest in anything but American Idol. The funny thing is, I don't watch reality TV or participate in celebrity culture. I am a fairly literate person (of course, I know that as a young person, I still havea lot to learn in the school of life :)). Yet, women outside my age group judge me unfairly based on the stereotype. So, to some extent, the prejudice goes both ways. I wish that this state of affairs didn't exist, because women of all ages could learn a lot from each other if more of them were open to the idea.
I'm relieved!
November 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 12 hours ago
Comment id: 46175
I'm only 21 and the man that I'm with is 39, and this really makes me feel better and more confident about our relationship.
When it comes to love, there's no such thing as age!
Man doesn't know what to do to get a nice woman.. Imagine that!
November 12, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 1 day ago
Comment id: 46144
Live in a Greenwich Village studio apartment. 66 y o man, never married. Heterosexual. Been so long since I had sex, I (you fill in the blank). Woman seem to like me, but I am likely so horny -- mentally, anyway -- that I sabotage myself from having a real relationship with a real woman. Mechanical women, the kind you can build in your basement,-- they don't appeal to me. Plus I don't have a basement. Or attic. DIDN'T YOU HEAR ME?? I SAID I LIVED IN A STUDIO APARTMENT!!! (Just kidding; seeing if you were listening. Not an anger management problem.) I blame Spock. No, not Mr. Spock. Doctor Spock. I understand he told mothers not to hug their babies (much). My mother didn't hug me much. I could strangle Dr. Spock. But never really read him. My problem is: I like woman. If I was a rotter and a bounder and a cad, I could be on a British TV show and make a lot of money. As it is, I like women and don't get far enough. Can anyone help me?
Thanks!
November 12, 2009 by Udaff, 1 week 1 day ago
Comment id: 46141
Article was very useful and cognitive! Thanks a lot!
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I feel better now...
November 12, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 1 day ago
Comment id: 46132
I thought I had a big age gap, but I guess not really. I'm 28, my girlfriend is 21. These comments brought to mind a conversation I had with her a few weeks ago:
Me: You know, sometimes I wish I had met you earlier. I knew guys in college who were in serious relationships. I know one guy who met his future wife as a freshman. Where were you when I was a college freshman?
Her: I was in elementary school.
Me: Oh, right.
PS: I agree with that Brazillian fellow below. Men are biologically hard wired to be attracted to fertile women, and there's nothing in that making it pedophilia (which is children... 22 is an adult)
sexism
November 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 4 days ago
Comment id: 46071
so you're a ageist amd a sexist.
Chelsea
November 9, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 4 days ago
Comment id: 46041
"A good thing for everyone except the young women who have to put up with greasy old men chasing them"
lmao! thats what I was thinking.
Double Ew @ this whole article.
When I was a teenager I liked other teenage boys. Now that I'm in my 20s, I like men in their 20s, NOT little teenage boys. Stick with people your age. Dating someone more than 10 years younger or older is just gross & pervy.
Player hate
November 5, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45994
Don't hate the player....hate the game
Dsating
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45902
I am a 75 year old man and the biggest thing in my life is dating. That is going out with
woman of all ages. The oldest woman I was with last year was 72 and the youngest was
19. Both were outstanding dates.
Marry me!
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45898
:)
You can't spell so you wouldn't be attractive to classy gals
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45897
Of course she is mature, but to you mature means she probably doesn't give your flack because she's not very bright and has low self-esteem.
You can't even spell, actually intelligence and grace in a man is attractive. Sorry that you don't rate, hon.
You seem insecure.
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45896
Take a look in the mirror, bud, I'm sure ANY 50ish woman is worth 100 of you.
Just a clue, 28 year old women grow up and gain something like self-respect and self-esteem. Yes, I know you aren't man enough to handle that, but so be it.
You seem jealous.........
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45895
You have no life, you are low-class, and seem VERY jealous.
Get a life, you seem so mean and spiteful. Look in the mirror, I'm sure YOU are NO prize, even at your age.
Grow up, toots.
?
November 1, 2009 by Anonymous, 2 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45894
Yeah, because every older guy is SUCH a prize.
i meant i agree with why beat
October 30, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 12 hours ago
Comment id: 45873
i meant i agree with why beat her's comment
i agree
October 30, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 12 hours ago
Comment id: 45872
i agree
Picture this!
October 27, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45822
GRANNY IN THE BATH GRANNY IN THE BATH GRANNY IN THE BATH
Old men chasing young women: A good thing
October 27, 2009 by Dredd, 3 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45821
So has it all come down to parts are parts, including the heart, or do I digress?
Reminds me of the time my uncle asked me if I enjoyed fishing. I said "no, but I don't mind catching".
EvolutionaryPsychologyisaloadofBS
October 27, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45817
"Old men chasing young women: A good thing"
A good thing for everyone except the young women who have to put up with greasy old men chasing them
Has anyone considered
October 26, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45800
Has anyone considered how old these men will be while that child is growing up? So sorry your dad/grandpa dies before you even graduate from high school. But all people can think about is getting some and don't give a s#@% about the child!
I completely agree "I find older men very
October 26, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45792
I am 20 years old and I fell in love with a person sixteen years older than me. When I first met him I was 17 years old, but he grew on me. He's very different in the "worldly sense" he has no post secondary schooling, he works for his family, but the one thing that sets him aside is that he is the father figure I always wanted to have. He treats me like a princess. I never felt that way before and no matter how many times my mother and my father (who made a fuss out of a droplet of water and who has never been there for me) tell me, he has always been a supportive individual in my life. There are times where I feel as if the world has a dead end. I feel pressured by my family's expectations since I am an only child, and am the only person in my family going to college, but I still haven't forgotten my roots. He is from my family's country and I also feel more mature since my mother is in his mother's generation. I was born to a very antiquated family. I feel completely comfortable with him. He likes the same music I like, we enjoy the same recreational activities and he respects me for who I am. Now, it is difficult to tell your same peered friends that go to college that one is attracted to an older man because all they do is say "eww your nasty", but no matter what even if you are in this situation all your looking for is comprehension. They are committed, and talk to you any time. Aside from the fact that he is very distant from me, I can call him in the wee hours and he still listens to what I have to say. That is the kind of counseling I missed from my own father and unfortunately I have found it in him, and my father cries about it.
I
Hey 50 yr old pervert!
October 26, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45787
Did you forget to pull down your 50 yr old wife's knickers and taste her p**sy?
i just lost my fiance to a 50 year old married man
October 25, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 5 days ago
Comment id: 45768
my 24 year old ex fiance (was to get married 12/12/09) told me about 8 weeks ago she had feelings for a person she works with. she has been very distant from me and has been going to see a counsellor. i found out that this bloke was 50 years old and is married with kids. i have given her space these last 2 weeks to let her decide what she wants and needs, she still doesn't have an answer. the more space i gave her, the worse it was for me. only 3 days ago we finally broke up and the day after we broke up, she slept with him (probably a few times judging by her cum stained panties) i feel sick.
Dear Ms. Creepy
October 24, 2009 by Anonymous, 3 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 45745
Why don't you stop accepting gifts from these guys and start being honest with them and tell them you are not interested. If all you do is smile and take what they give, how are they supposed to think anything different if you cannot be truthfull with them.
Know Your Audience
October 22, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45683
Good topic and good... the THINg is the only people interested in reading this/coming across this discussion which claims its"straight from the source" are the "white male landowning" class.
Its sucks to admit overtime we compare ourselves to other lifestyles, its always to a higher class, a higher authority, something to bring our hopes up. What about a laborer. The society is already so diverse overpopulated and extremely unorganized! Everyone works. There is no comparison high class to low class. Never. How about our City Slums. Sitting on the porch waiting for that welfare check to show up just drinking and smoking it away.
You think they will be on their computers thinking about the World, our society, our lifetime. Gang-bangers and terrified women is it. Not ready to have a baby? Who ever is!?!?
God forbid you fuck your own life up. Women should be sterilized, creating an ultimate anti-babyboom. Start over. For once again
I thought about it for a long time, before I even committed. It’s like one of those things that just never makes sense. I’m not telling… you’ll just have to stick around to the end.
Sometimes it can be creepy...
October 21, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45646
I have 3 older men after me...they are between 50 and 65. I am 26. They are my customers at the cafe I work at.
They always non stop talk to me. Annoying when Im trying to work.
One of them bought me perfume and an ipod for xmas. He told me he was looking for something more than a friendship and wanted to take me to Paris first class all expenses paid. I passed. I couldnt do it. Even though he has lots of money (they all do) I couldnt be with him because of the money. Even though he was really nice. I didnt have any feelings for him so i couldnt do it for the money. He is still married too and whenever I ask him about his wife he doesnt want to talk about it. I think they live seperate lives.
The other 2 are just the same.
Im never rude to any of them but sometimes I can feel uncomfortable around them.
43 yr old man and 22 yr old
October 21, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45638
43 yr old man and 22 yr old woman isn't even worth noticing.
Now, try 60+ man and 21 year old woman - a customer (60+) at a coffee shop I worked at was telling a story and at one point he said, "my friend who is retired in his 60s just married a 21 year old girl" and I burst out laughing (I was 32 at the time) and he looked at me crossly and asked what's so funny? I just walked away shaking my head and thinking, that old guy better have no heart problems!
And this is in response to the girl who was saying "old bitch" and that we are all jealous -- I'm 47 now (two months older than my husband) and, like Monica Belluci and Sophie Marceau (well, not quite, but I'm still somewhat hot), have more than enough guys of all ages leering at me, so I know age isn't the only factor in how attractive you are, to men at least. What I HAVE noticed in the past 8 or so years is that many (not all) younger women (30 and under) have this really fucked-up attitude about older women, and here's the proof that it IS in their head, not mine: when I was hired for this job, they main "clique" of women thought I was their ages (roughly 24 - 30). I was actually 37 but have always looked way younger. After a few months here, during which time I was treated fine and had a normal social situation, the subject came up and I naively told them my age; I thought they would actually think it was a GOOD thing that you could stay attractive and youthful even going into your 40s, and instead they all dropped me. They literally walked by my office and looked at me but said nothing when they got together to go for coffee. I was stunned and have since heard from other women in late 30s and 40s that many younger women are like fanatical about keeping anyone whose birth certificate says born before 1975 OUT. It's very cruel -- when I was in my 20s and worked somewhere, if all the women went out dancing and clubbing together, that meant ALL the women - from 18 yr olds to 50. (The women older than 50 were invited too but probably thought we were all wacko!) I have rarely if ever felt excluded by men, it's always women who did it -- where is the hostility coming from? I've never done anything malicious to a younger woman so why are they so ready to attack and yell cougar or old bitch or whatever else -- (I guess MILF is supposed to be a compliment not insult)? And some of these women are quite attractive so I don't see what their issue is, I'm not threatening to take anything away from them, if anything the media is always pushing how younger women are after our (middle age women) husbands. I just don't like being judged and excluded because of a number on a birth certificate -- and that's the whole issue here: you can't judge someone solely by the year on their birth certificate.
Zitarrosa
October 20, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45632
Here in Brazil, about 40% of marriages, envolve a woman, and a more than 5 year older man. It's a substancial number.
It's a totally natural thing. Men are capable to reproduce themselves until die, women, until 40. Instinctively, men start to feel attracted to younger and fertile women.
Being attracted to a 22 year old girl, ISN'T pedophilie! Pedophilie is applied to C-H-I-L-D-R-E-N, girls without secondary sex characteristic developed. Men of all ages, in this world, are attracted to 22 year old girls. So do I (I'm 25, right now, but I'll certainly feel the same, 25 years from now).
my experience
October 19, 2009 by Anonymous, 4 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 45604
well i have to say that these situations happen, yet seldomly. But, i had a short relationship with a 17 year old french girl when i was 26. It lasted 2 weeks, cause she had to return to france but, tjis girl was so mature and wise that everything fitted almost perfectly. Well she loved another back in france. But it was fun while it lasted.
Disgusting!
October 15, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 1 day ago
Comment id: 45502
"A former school principal has told a judge he thought he was in love with a 16-year-old student he had sex with at his home on five occasions. Frank Bailey, 44, the ex-principal of a Christian school at Grafton in northern NSW, has pleaded guilty to five counts of sexual intercourse with a 16-year-old under his care over four days in 2007."
Now, that's a pedophile!
Married men are not allowed to look
October 15, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 45482
My husband is 49 years old and he is too scared to look at 22 year old women. He knows I'll get jealous.
Anonymous Comments
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45461
This young lady apparently has some difficult problems, along with misunderstandings about life.
Yep...
October 13, 2009 by Anonymous, 5 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 45455
Yep, probably some old fat hag who is jealous. A lady who is 22 is an adult lady, and obviously more mature than the lady who posted her comment about this man being a pedaphile.
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