Albert Einstein used his famous thought experiment to justify his "Principle of Eqivalence" postulate that asserts; Inertia (acceleration) and Gravity are equivalent. (Although he used a room size chest and a rope I am substituting a rocket instead).
"An astronaut in an accelerating rocket will feel the same effect as if he were standing on earth." This is true but it is not because gravity and inertia are equivalent, it because these two conditions produce the same effect, WEIGHT. Acceleration does not create gravity, it creates weight, under certain conditions.
Inertia is the law of nature that requires a force be exerted on a body to accelerate the body, relative to other bodies (momentum), or to rise it to a higher space energy level, relative to absolute space (inertial mass).
Gravity, a "primary force", is just one the laws of nature that fulfills this requirement.
Actually, in both cases the accelerating rocket and the room resting on the ground, weight, not gravity, is created! The weight created in the accelerating rocket,(or Einstein's chest being pulled by a rope) is just as real as weight created on the surface of the Earth. The effect of "weight" is created in both cases because a Secondary Force is being exerted on the body, altering the body's primary inertial or gravitational acceleration, not because Gravity and Inertia are equivalent.
Weight is created simply because:
1. Inertia requires a force be exerted a body to accelerate the body.
2. The unique manner that a Secondary (Ordinary) Force exerts its force on a body. Secondary force exerts its force in succession, one body pushes against the next body which pushes against the next etc. etc.. A molecule pushes against the next molecule, an atom pushes against the next atom (even though, at this level they may not actually touching each other), the floor of a rocket pushes against the feet of an astronaut which pushes against his/her ankles which push against his/her legs etc. etc. It does not matter whether you are standing on the surface of earth or if you are accelerating in a rocket. The effect is the same - weight is created.
Gravity, a Primary Force, exerts its force on all the atoms of a body simultaneously, not in succession. That is the big difference! A body accelerating under Gravity's influence alone is weightless. Only when a Secondary Force alters the body's gravitational acceleration, in some manner, is the effect of weight created (such as preventing a body "resting" on the surface of earth to accelerate toward the center of earth). All bodies "resting" on earth's surface are actually in a state of restrained acceleration.
In both cases of Einstein's thought experiment (Accelerating room and the room "resting" on the ground) a Secondary Force is creating the effect of weight. When a Primary Force such as Gravity is exerted on a body alone, (falling body) the body accelerates but the body is weightless!
Gravity is exerting exactly the same amount of force on each atomic particle of the body, simultaneously. This causes the feeling of weightlessness. This lack of weight sensation fooled Einstein into thinking that no force was being exerted on the body - that gravity is not a force! He said that falling bodies simply follow geodesic lines of curved space.
Actually the falling body is completely under the influence of gravitational force. It is being accelerated by gravity alone and therefore no weight sensation is created. Weight itself is not a force, it is the unique effect created - when a Secondary Force is exerted against a body and can be used as an accurate measurement (weight) to indicate the amount of Secondary Force that is being exerted. On Earth, weight is the measure of Secondary Force required to prevent a body from accelerating 32.2 ft./sec.2 toward the center of Earth.
Weight is created only when a Secondary Force is exerted against a body, thereby altering the body's original inertial acceleration caused by a Primary Force. It could be Gravity or another Primary Force such as those that arise from the chemical reactions which produce the gases that propel a rocket or the electromagnetic force of the elevator's motors, it makes no difference.
The important thing is that a Secondary Force must be exerted to STOP OR ALTER the body's acceleration for the effect of weight to be created. If a body is "resting" on the surface of the Earth, the surface prevents (stops) it from continuing its fall toward the center of the Earth.
It is Secondary Force that creates the effect of weight in both cases. Therefore, Einstein's postulate, "The Principle of Equivalence", has not been proven by his thought experiment. The idea that a light beam will be influenced by Gravity being exerted on it, also has not been proven.
The star's light beam that was supposedly deflected by the Sun’s gravity to add credibility to Einstein’s theory, was probably optically deflected by the Sun’s atmosphere as it passed through its extended corona.
Donald L. Hamilton
Refer: Chapters: 15,16,18, - The MIND of Mankind
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Comments
Re: Einstein's thought experiment
February 26, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 36 weeks ago
Comment id: 27787
If I remember correctly F=MA, which is how things are weighed on earth with a spring scale, or a balance for that matter. A calibrated spring is used to support an unknown mass at the surface of the earth. The spring compresses until the mass is motionless. The compression is measured and as the acceleration at the surface of the earth is known to be about 9.8 meters/ss the mass/earth weight is determined. All the the thought experiment illustrated was that gravitational acceleration and acceleration experienced in an accelerating reference frame are identical. If the reference frame acceleration is 9.8 meters/ss then the scale attached to the frame reads the same weight as when it is on the earth surface. Also an object released from a height of 4.9 meters from the earth surface or the floor of the box will take 1 second to hit the surface or floor. Strangely even in 1900 gravitational fields were described as acceleration fields, ie the gravitational attraction at the surface of the earth is 9.8 meters/ss. also acceleration due to gravity is easly calculated as : a = (ml*c^2)/R^2, where a= acceleration, ml= length of the gravitational mass, c= speed of light and R= the distance from the center of ml.
Tidal effects for a six foot person at the surface of the earth are at the feet 9.8000000 meters/ss and at the top of the head 9.7999944 meters/ss and may be ignored as we normally do when jaunting around this globe.
con morton
Re: Einstein's thought experiment
October 16, 2007 by donzzz, 2 years 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 25507
Re: anonymous says -
"This force will elongate Mr. Schmoe until he is merely a long "spaghetti-string" of atoms/particles." ( Far out !!)
"Gravity is indeed acting on all particles of a human subject but not equally." (I didn't say equally, I said simultaneously.)
"If we were able to build many (seriously, I mean a LOT of) hypothetical atomic rockets that could propel each individual atom of a human subject"
(This makes no sense whatsoever - is this a new thought experiment?? Gravity simply exerts its force on each sub atomic particle simultaneously. Normally all the atoms in the body are falling in unison, there is no stress so there is no weight sensation, the body is weightless. Only in very special conditions such as when the comet broke up and crashed into Jupiter several years ago did gravity's force cause enough stress to break up the comet.)
"Inertia = the RESISTANCE to acceleration of an object due to its mass." (In other words - inertia requires a force be exerted to accelerate the mass!)
Don Hamilton
Hmmm... I don't buy it.
October 15, 2007 by Anonymous, 2 years 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 25492
>>The star's light beam that was supposedly deflected by the Sun’s gravity to add credibility to Einstein’s theory, was probably optically deflected by the Sun’s atmosphere as it passed through its extended corona.
No way. GR predicted the exact location of where the light would be perceived based on the measured location of the star behind the sun...repeatedly. FURTHERMORE, if the corona gases modified the path of light coming from something behind it, they would more likely cause the light from the distant star to reflect/refract away from the Earth entirely.
>>Secondary force exerts its force in succession, one body pushes against the next body which pushes against the next etc. etc.. A molecule pushes against the next molecule, an atom pushes against the next atom (even though, at this level they may not actually touching each other), the floor of a rocket pushes against the feet of an astronaut which pushes against his/her ankles which push against his/her legs etc. etc. It does not matter whether you are standing on the surface of earth or if you are accelerating in a rocket. The effect is the same - weight is created. Gravity, a Primary Force, exerts its force on all the atoms of a body simultaneously, not in succession
This is misleading as well. The "transference of force from one molecule to another" occurs whether the acceleration is caused by gravity or by rocket. Prime example: the "spaghetti-string" effect caused by black holes. (For those less knowledged, consider this example. Joe Schmoe is falling into a black hole feet-first. There is a point, very close to the center of the black hole at which gravity will pull harder on Mr. Schmoe's feet than it will on his head, thereby elongating his whole body. This force will elongate Mr. Schmoe until he is merely a long "spaghetti-string" of atoms/particles. That is, until he physically strikes the surface of the object at the center.)
Gravity is indeed acting on all particles of a human subject but not equally. It just seems so because Earth's gravity is so weak. If we were able to build many (seriously, I mean a LOT of) hypothetical atomic rockets that could propel each individual atom of a human subject, we could witness a secondary force with the same validity as (indeed, indistinguishable from) a primary gravitational force, simply because the force they would exert would be so weak.
Exemplifying that idea a bit further, let's take the idea of Mr. Schmoe in completely empty space, with little/no gravity to accelerate him, but equipped with atomic rockets to push all of his atoms in one direction. The tiny rockets would be his PRIMARY source of acceleration. If he were to approach, say, Earth, gravity would be the SECONDARY source of acceleration, and would affect him in exactly the same way as if the roles of the rockets and gravity were reversed.
>>Albert Einstein used his famous thought experiment to justify his "Principle of Eqivalence" postulate that asserts; Inertia (acceleration) and Gravity are equivalent.
Again, misleading. The above statement presumes that inertia and acceleration are the same thing. They are not. Inertia = the RESISTANCE to acceleration of an object due to its mass. Acceleration = Gravity. However, inertia != acceleration, ergo inertia != gravity. Basic Newtonian stuff.
Any questions?
Link to previous discussion on bending of light
October 14, 2007 by Fred Bortz, 2 years 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 25471
Whether Don is a "crank," a "crackpot," or just misguided, I'll leave to the readers to decide. But to see my previous critique, go to
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/black-hole-myth-14427.html
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
Only a fool argues with a fool?
October 13, 2007 by Anonymous, 2 years 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 25458
So, I must be a fool, because I will try one last time myself...
Mr. Hamilton,
So, one day Donald Hamilton wakes up and realizes the tens of thousands of physicists and astronomers don't know about atmospheric light bending and got fooled by Einstein nearly a century ago... and gave him way too much credit? As though astronomers don't know *exactly* how much an intervening gas may bend light?
Yes, an atmosphere can bend light. We see this effect twice a day, at sunrise and sunset. But has one ever noticed that it isn't perfect? That changes in density in the atmosphere cause the sun to appear lumpy instead of perfectly squashed into perfect oval? Further, even the oval isn't the amount of bending that would one would expect if the bending were from space-time being stretched by gravity. And the same would be true for starlight through the sun's corona.
Oh... and speaking of the corona, if the corona were dense enough to bend the light by that *exact amount* predicted by General Relativity, the amount of Rayleigh scattering of the sun's light, would washout any starlight coming from behind, just as it does in the earth's atmosphere. (only more so, given that the corona is right next to the ^%$#@! sun!)
But back to the *exact amount* predicted by GR, the observation has been repeated many times... but the corona is never the same twice... yet... funny that it always seems to be bending the light by the *exact amount* predicted by GR?
Oh yeah... and about those distant galaxies that are imaged by intervening galaxies, whose light has bent bent by the *exact amount* as predicted by GR? The light must have been bent by the sun's corona then too huh?
Dr. Bortz has already patiently explained most of the errors in your logic. Mr. Hamilton, your continued argumentation brings to mind two words, "crank" and "crackpot".
Hamilton or Einstein+evidence?
October 13, 2007 by Fred Bortz, 2 years 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 25452
As noted in a recent blog entry, I have decided not to engage in discussions of posts like this any longer. My time is better spent on other things.
Don may be a very nice guy and a good person, so this is not personal. But his writings are far from persuasive.
Here's my question to other readers.
What do you find more credible:
Einstein's writings and the resulting theory, plus a century of supporting evidence
or
Hamilton's discussions with odd and poorly defined concepts like "secondary force" with no evidence--or even proposed experiments--to challenge well-established theory?
Until Don proposes a test for his ideas as persuasive as the observed bending of light was for general relativity, I don't see a point in engaging further.
I repeat, this is not personal. It's simply a decision based on the best use of my time at Science Blog.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
Primary & Secondary Force explained.
October 15, 2007 by donzzz, 2 years 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 25481
Primary Force, such as gravity, chemical explosion or electromagnetic force reaction, etc. exerts its energy first to get the inertial acceleration going.
The secondary ordinary contact force changes the primary acceleration in some manner. Any change in inertial acceleration, according to the law of inertia, requires a force be exerted.
Secondary force is simply a ordinary contact force (push/pull). It creates the unique effect of weight by exerting its force, by direct contact, in succession on a body. (the floor pushes on your feet, which pushes on your leg bones, which pushes on your hip bones, et., etc.., from one end of the body to the opposite end. The amount of secondary force that the surface must exert is the "weight" of the body.
In the case of the of a body resting on the earth's surface, the secondary force (the earth's surface) obstructs the gravitational acceleration of the body with enough force to stop the body's gravitational acceleration. The amount of secondary force exerted creates the effect of weight of the body.
In an accelerating rocket the primary force is the chemical explosion reaction in the rocket engines needed to accelerate the rocket. The secondary force is the floor of the rocket pushing against the astronaut that causes him/her to accelerate with the rocket. This change in inertial acceleration causes the effect of weight to be created.
In both these cases the secondary force causes the effect of weight to be created. In both cases "real weight" is created not gravity. In the case of gravity - when no secondary force is exerted the body is weightless.
Donald Hamilton
http://novan.com/mind.htm
http://novan.com/weight.htm
Nothing consequential explained
October 16, 2007 by Anonymous, 2 years 3 weeks ago
Comment id: 25506
You have merely shown that a rocket and the Earth's surface are two different ways to perturb an object out of its free-fall trajectory.
Yay.
It's easy to explain what gravity is _not_... Gravity is not a rocket. Gravity is not a pencil. Gravity is not a dragon.
You _haven't_, as appears to be your goal, shown that gravity is not a result of mass-induced curvature of space-time.