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Mind and Brain

December 17, 2008

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In periodic posts, I've been trying to lay out the modern scientific consensus on the mind/brain problem, with mixed success. If I had come across the following passage, from Ray Jackendoff's Language, Consciousness, Culture, a bit earlier, I might have saved some trouble, since I feel it is one of the clearest, most concise statements on the topic I have seen:

The predominant view is a strict materialism, in which consciousness is taken to be an emergent property of brains that are undergoing certain sorts of activity.

Although the distinction is not usually made explicit, one could assert the materialist position in either of two ways. The first would be 'methodological materialism': let's see how far we can get toward explaining consciousness under materialist assumptions, while potentially leaving open the possibility of an inexplicable residue. The second would be 'dogmatic materialism,' which would leave no room for anything but materialist explanation. Since we have no scientific tools for any sort of nonmaterialist explanation, the two positions are in practice indistinguishable, and they lead to the same research...

Of course, materialism goes strongly against folk intuition about the mind, which concurs with Descartes in thinking of the conscious mind as associated with a nonmaterial 'soul' or the like... The soul is taken to be capable of existence independently of the body. It potentially survives the death of the body and makes its way in the world as a ghost or a spirit or ensconced in another body through reincarnation... Needless to say, most people cherish the idea of being able to survive the death of their bodies, so materialism is more than an 'astonishing hypothesis,' to use Crick's (1994) term: it is a truly distressing and alienating one. Nevertheless, by now it does seem the only reasonable way to approach consciousness scientifically.

Comments

What Is Explicable

April 16, 2009 by johnbrandy, 29 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 33510

"he two positions are in practice indistinguishable, and they lead to the same research..." I do not entirely agree with the above statement for this reason. Allowing for an "inexplicable" explanation or understanding of consciousness limits the degree to which research results are accepted, and how they are interpreted. A researcher that publishes their results, based upon materialistic science, yet is open to "inexplicable" explanations, does not interject into his/her results their wider views. Besides, what is explicable anyway? In other words, what is the difference between an explanation and a understanding? Until a explanation rises to an understanding, the results are not intrinsically superior to other methods of serious exploration. I would suggest that the "religious sciences" have much to reveal about the nature of consciousness.

As well, I question the term inexplicable, in the present context. Inexplicable, operates in a categorically distinct domain from materialistic science. They are not strictly compatible. Yes, there are scientific facts, processes, and results that cannot, as yet, be scientifically explained. But why would a scientist research the nature and origin of consciousness if they believed it is fundamentally inexplicable? Would that not constitute a monumental wast of time and effort?

I am suggesting that the term inexplicable, in the context of consciousness research, is a misnomer, and therefore the article confuses the truth. I am suggesting that some researchers believe that certain aspects of consciousness, as much of science, is inherently inexplicable. You might ask why. Mainly, in spite of opinions to the contrary, human intelligence is inherently limited. The notion that science will eventually understanding everything is demonstratively unfounded. Such an assumption would necessitate a verifiable principle, harboring an absolutely internal and unquestionable consistency, applicable to every sphere of science. Clearly, no such principle exist in fact, or sound theory.

Differently, what truth is derived from an understanding of consciousness? Do I need to understand the nature and origin of a tool in order to use it? Knowing the origin and evolution of a hammer might lead to the creation of a better hammer. Certainly, a better understanding of brain science might lead to new and improved treatments for various dysfunctions, or learning strategies. What will a "complete" understanding of consciousness afford, assuming that is even possible, and such understanding lie within our cognitive grasp? I offer this question for consideration.

re: Mind and Brain

December 17, 2008 by NeuroJoe, 46 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 33418

Quote: "Needless to say, most people cherish the idea of being able to survive the death of their bodies, so materialism is more than an 'astonishing hypothesis,' to use Crick's (1994) term: it is a truly distressing and alienating one."

I think this is analogous to one of the main problems that many of us who teach evolution also run into in the classroom. Most people want to believe that there is something special about humans compared to other "lower" organisms, when in fact there is not. (Other than our ability to destroy ecosystems like none other that is... :< ) We got to where we are by the environment acting upon random genetic differences, just like every other organism.

Joe Burdo
Assistant Professor of Neurobiology
Bridgewater State College
(My bizarre and/or nonsensical rantings may not reflect the beliefs of who signs my paychecks!)

Simple, plausible and wrong

December 17, 2008 by Anonymous, 46 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 33414

Mindless & Brainless

[I]f one entity is influenced by another entity, in all known cases the latter one is also influenced by the former. The most striking and originally the least expected example for this is the influence of light on matter, most obviously in the form of light pressure. That matter influences light is an obvious fact—if it were not so, we could not see objects. The influence of light on matter is, however, a more subtle effect and is virtually unobservable under the conditions which surround us [...] Since matter clearly influences the content of our consciousness, it is natural to assume that the opposite influence also exists, thus demanding the modification of the presently accepted laws of nature which disregard this influence. (Wigner)

If you ask a physicist what is his idea of yellow light, he will tell you that it is transversal electromagnetic waves of wavelength in the neighborhood of 590 millimicrons. If you ask him: But where does yellow come in? he will say: In my picture not at all, but these kinds of vibrations, when they hit the retina of a healthy eye, give the person whose eye it is the sensation of yellow. (Schrödinger)

What we see depends on light entering the eye. Furthermore we do not even perceive what enters the eye. The things transmitted are waves or—as Newton thought—minute particles, and the things seen are colors. Locke met this difficulty by a theory of primary and secondary qualities. Namely, there are some attributes of the matter which we do perceive. These are the primary qualities, and there are other things which we perceive, such as colors, which are not attributes of matter, but are perceived by us as if they were such attributes. These are the secondary qualities of matter.

Why should we perceive secondary qualities? It seems an unfortunate arrangement that we should perceive a lot of things that are not there. Yet this is what the theory of secondary qualities in fact comes to. There is now reigning in philosophy and in science an apathetic acquiescence in the conclusion that no coherent account can be given of nature as it is disclosed to us in sense-awareness, without dragging in its relation to mind. (Whitehead)

So long as we adhere to the conventional notions of mind and matter, we are condemned to a view of perception which is miraculous. We suppose that a physical process starts from a visible object, travels to the eye, there changes into another physical process, causes yet another physical process in the optic nerve, and finally produces some effect in the brain, simultaneously with which we see the object from which the process started, the seeing being something "mental", totally different from the physical processes which precede and accompany it. This view is so queer that metaphysicians have invented all sorts of theories designed to substitute something less incredible.(Russell)

The processes on the retina produce excitations which are conducted to the brain in the optic nerves, maybe in the form of electric currents. Even here we are still in the real sphere. But between the physical processes which are released in the terminal organ of the nervous conductors in the central brain and the image which thereupon appears to the perceiving subject, there gapes a hiatus, an abyss which no realistic conception of the world can span. It is the transition from the world of being to the world of appearing image or of consciousness. (Weyl)

It has often been said, and certainly not without justification, that the man of science makes a poor philosopher. Why then should it not be the right thing for the physicist to let the philosopher do the philosophizing? Such indeed might be the right thing at a time when the physicist believes he has at his disposal a rigid system of fundamental concepts and fundamental laws which are so well established that waves of doubt can not reach them; but, it can not be right at a time when the very foundations of physics itself have become problematic as they are now [...] In contrast to psychology, physics treats only of sense experiences and of the 'understanding' of their connection. But even the concept of the 'real external world' of everyday thinking rests exclusively on sense impressions. (Einstein)

You are living in an imaginary world.

December 17, 2008 by Anonymous, 46 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 33416

But between the physical processes which are released in the terminal organ of the nervous conductors in the central brain and the image which thereupon appears to the perceiving subject, there gapes a hiatus, an abyss which no realistic conception of the world can span.

Is that "can span", or "so far has yet so span?"

Your argument for the supernatural origin of the mind is based on your presumption that the mind cannot be understood, even while progress towards understanding the mind is occurring all the time, and even accelerating.

But even the concept of the 'real external world' of everyday thinking rests exclusively on sense impressions.

Experiments show that a large portion of our current view of the world is composed of expectations which originate in the mind...

I.e. You actually see only a fraction of what you THINK you see, the rest is filled in by the brain.

I.e. In a very real sense, you are living in a largely imaginary world.

Imagine this

December 17, 2008 by Anonymous, 46 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 33424

Gosh, now where do you suppose my imagination came up with all this stuff?

Wait a minute! Why not simply imagine that all our problems are solved?! Brilliant!

spectra

The mathematical machinery of quantum mechanics became that of spectral analysis... (Steen)

It turned out that, once these foundations had been laid, symmetry could be of great help in elucidating the general character of the spectra. (Weyl)

The physical action only depends on [the spectrum] ?. (Connes)

Re: Imagine this

December 18, 2008 by Anonymous, 46 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 33436

Gosh, now where do you suppose my imagination came up with all this stuff?

To answer that, you need to understand what "imagination" is.

You could say that imagination is consciousness itself... Mind machinery directed to reflect upon a world model. The default world model that "sane" mind machinery is directed to reflect upon is the "real world", i.e. the one that is consistent with sensory input. By "reflecting", I mean updating the world model via the constant feedback of an integration of memories (past), sensory input (present), and inferences/hypotheses (future). This feedback in part stimulates the same regions of the brain that are stimulated by sensory input, examples being your inner monologue and the images you "see" when you close your eyes. (If I'm not mistaken, imaging of brain function has shown that imagining a carrot causes activity in some of the same regions that are activated when you actually view a carrot.)

In "altered" states of mind, the evolution of the world-model may become inconsistent with sensory input... the inference/hypothesis component of the integration process overwhelms the sensory component. This phenomenon may be consciously directed (daydreaming, being creative in general) or imposed unconsciously or unwillingly (dreaming, chemical imbalance or abuse, defect/illness/insanity, physical injury).

So, when you ask, "where do you suppose my imagination came up with all this stuff?": My answer is, "this stuff" is simply your current world view, which has developed over the course of your lifetime.

Wait a minute! Why not simply imagine that all our problems are solved?! Brilliant!

Go right ahead! Synthesize whatever world-model you feel like. Your brain will let you, it's very flexible. (Just don't come crying to me when your brain attempts to reconcile your synthetic world-model with the one your senses are perceiving, as it inevitably must.*)

*It won't be too traumatic. The decision to deviate from the "real" world will be recorded as a historically significant event in your synthetic world-model.**

**Unless your decision to deviate from the "real" world is either forgotten or otherwise masked... Then, you may have a problem.

science does not require materialism

December 17, 2008 by coglanglab, 46 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 33413

Anonymous, I have to disagree with you here. Science is not set up to consider only materialist explanations. Instead, science is only set up to test explanations that make predictions.

It is hard, but not impossible, to make predictions based on dualism. For instance, if we could communicate with the dead -- even better, with the cremated dead -- then that would be strong evidence for dualism, and no less scientific for it.

What science cannot evaluate are theories like this: we have an immortal, non-material soul, but it cannot be detected. It cannot be communicated with. Without the existence of a body, it can have no detectable effect on anything in the universe.

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Tautological materialism

December 17, 2008 by Anonymous, 46 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 33410

Well, yes, but in this case the fact that other views can't be "scientifically considered" says more about science than those views: Science is set up specifically to ONLY consider materialist explanations to this question. Other explanations are no less likely to be true *just because* science can't give them a go. To condemn nonmaterialistic theories of consciousness for being unscientific is like condemning family relationships for being nonmathematical. (Not that there may not be other reasons to condemn them.)

Family relationships are non-mathematical?

December 17, 2008 by Anonymous, 46 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 33415

Prove it.

Genetic relationships can certainly be defined in mathematical terms, and social relationships are products of mind, so your argument-by-analogy against materialism ultimately depends... upon your argument against materialism.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

define DEBUNK_SUPERNATURAL(X) {
"If you are going to posit a supernatural $X, the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence that supports your position.

In lieu of any evidence for a supernatural $X, there is no reason to entertain the notion until all alternatives have been exhausted."
}

DEBUNK_SUPERNATURAL(origin of mind)
DEBUNK_SUPERNATURAL(origin of life)



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